The Ring: "Mayweather Doesn't Crack The Top 25 Greatest Ever"

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    We can almost certainly agree that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 10, hallowed ground reserved for names like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep, Greb, ect. And the opinion here is that for all his remarkable talent, his body of work isn't enough to crack the top 25 either. Looking at that 19-42 range, the upper end just doesn't seem right given the talent pools of the past.

    So our final declaration is this: if Mayweather never fights again, he ranks somewhere in the second 25 in boxing history, pound-for-pound, taking into account both his ability and his accomplishment. "Pretty Boy" and his devoted fans may not want be happy to hear it, and the Floyd haters probably won't like it either, but that's where he belongs.

    Eric Raskin, The Ring Magazine, October 2008

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    Here is ESPN's top 50 from last year based on:

    In-Ring Performance
    Achievements
    Dominance
    Mainstream Appeal ( <---- WTF? )

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
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    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Willie Pep
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    7. Benny Leonard
    8. Jack Johnson
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Sam Langford
    11. Joe Gans
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    13. Harry Greb
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    15. Jimmy Wilde
    16. Gene Tunney
    17. Mickey Walker
    19. Stanley Ketchel
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    21. Tony Canzoneri
    22. Barney Ross
    23. Jimmy McLarnin
    24. Julio Cesar Chavez
    25. Marcel Cerdan
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    27. Ezzard Charles
    18. Archie Moore
    28. Jake LaMotta
    29. Sandy Saddler
    30. Terry McGovern
    31. Billy Conn
    32. Jose Napoles
    33. Ruben Olivares
    34. Emile Griffith
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    36. Eder Jofre
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    41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
    42. Alexis Arguello
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    44. Pernell Whitaker
    45. Carlos Monzon
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    san rafael, Aug 21, 2008
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  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's probably fair.

    "Oh he should be top 25, top 20, top 10, etc........"

    People act like being in the top 50 ever in the Queenbury era isn't some remarkable achievement.
     
    Thread Stealer, Aug 21, 2008
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  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Top 50 seems about right. He had the talent, but not the achievements for top 25 status.
     
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  4. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It's about right
     
    catasyou, Aug 21, 2008
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  5. quocnam

    quocnam Member Full Member

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    Go out of retirement and clean up the WW Floyd.

    Here is the logic:
    Margo will rematch and beat Williams
    Clottey will beat Margo in rematch
    Floyd jumps in and get easy win over Clottey.
     
    quocnam, Aug 21, 2008
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  6. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah it's about right ...i'm a big time floyd hater and even i see this as right .. i do have floyd however at top 3 at 130 pounds if not the best...
     
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  7. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    clottey is not beating margarito ...
     
    CottoDaBodykill, Aug 21, 2008
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  8. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Yep, nothng to mock about. No fighter of the last 20 years with the exception of Whitaker and Chavez earns a ranking inside the Top30.
     
    Loewe, Aug 21, 2008
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  9. DINAMITA

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    I agree with this. He had the talent, but doesn't have the resume. Great fighter, but then you have to be great to be in the top 50 ever. I think he'd be 30-50, behind only Whitaker, Jones Jr, Chavez, Holyfield and Lewis of the last 25 years.
     
    DINAMITA, Aug 21, 2008
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  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    There's no argument for him to be in the top 25 unless it's based purely on paper titles and not opposition/ring dominance.
     
    Sweet Pea, Aug 21, 2008
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  11. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I need more time to do more research, but my impression right now is that top 30-50 is about right.
     
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  12. Pimp C

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    Top 30 ATG.:deal
     
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  13. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Top 40 ATG
     
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  14. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Top 30 Atg...i Can Think Of 25 Fighters To Place Above Him
     
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  15. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He is top 30 more or less
     
    catasyou, Aug 21, 2008
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