The Ring rankings drive me mad

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by dftaylor, Nov 30, 2010.


  1. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Here's the comment on the SMW rankings:

    Hang on, so Ward beats Bika in an ugly fight, where he looked worse than Bute did beating a better, younger version of the same man. And becomes the no.1 at the weight?

    What a complete, US-centric load of ****.

    Add the fact that Bute knocked out Miranda where Ward beat him by UD. So it comes down the fact he's beaten Kessler.

    This is the sort of **** that makes me want to see fighters lose.
     
  2. tsmith

    tsmith New Member Full Member

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    Scott Gilfoid off BN24 is the reason why i'd like to see a fighter lose
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    It's difficult to determine a number 1 super middle right now though. You can make a case for all of those. No way Bute should be ahead of Froch though IMO and how the heck was he at 1? anyway hopefully we'll get a clear champ after the tourney.
     
  4. Claypole

    Claypole Boxing Addict banned

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    Ward is the chosen one, it seems. The commentators during his fight with Bika were talking as if he was peerless. Apparantly he can adapt his style to beat anybody, not that they mentioned anybody else...
     
  5. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    The thing with Ward, for his adaptability, is that he makes dull fights. He's the epitome of the 'just enough' fighter. Why take a risk if you can win an easy decision?

    That makes it hard to really say he's a great. His resume, pre-Kessler, is ****-poor. And post Kessler it's about the same as before. Bika's a decent name, but nothing special. And Green has been completely shown up against Johnson since.

    Ward has skills. He has great potential. But the holding and headbutting and seriously unappealing in an elite fighter.
     
  6. rocky1

    rocky1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    could be worse .........
    could be boxrec which some how has dirrell ranked above froch
     
  7. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Tbh though, we can nitpick and do the same with Bute's record too. I have more of a problem with Lucian being considered the best at the weight, which he was for a long time. He's more overrated then anyone at 168 IMO. Has he fought and beat anyone as good as Kessler or Abraham? The guy is still feasting on "contender" leftovers and the Zuniga's of this world.

    I don't really take these things too seriously though, it'll all fall into place sooner or later and the cream will rise to the top.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Interesting logic that sees Andre Ward overtake Lucian Bute for beating Sakio Bika on points when Lucian Bute has already beaten Sakio Bika on points.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Andre Ward should have been ahead of Lucian Bute when he beat Mikkel Kessler. Mikkel Kessler was ranked #3 according to The Ring, and Bute has never beaten a fighter of this calibre in his life.

    Froch #2, I can definitely see everyones argument for him being 1 though.
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    My take on it is The Ring rankings contributors probably didn't want to put Ward above Bute after the Kessler win in case it turned put to be fluke result, Ward couldn't maintain the form and the rankings looked too kneejerk on the back of 1 fight.

    Now Ward has a couple more wins at top level that risk has been removed. Still, the using the Bika fight as justification is just stupid.
     
  11. bigboxingfan

    bigboxingfan Hypejob Full Member

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    I think Ward is #1. Having said that, there is not much in it atm. Lets just have them all fight and find out. Who cares who is #1 right now, what matters is who will be the last man standing. Since Bute has signed with Showtime, it is only a matter of time before we find out.........
     
  12. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wouldn't it be great if somebody a major network or something made a big tournament to determine whowas the best in a particular division?......oh wait
     
  13. roe

    roe Guest

    I think Froch deserves to be number one now. Compare what Froch's done in the last 2 years to Ward and Bute:

    Froch: bt Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell, Arthur Abraham; lst Mikkel Kessler
    Ward: bt Henry Buchanan, Edison Miranda, Shelby Pudwill, Mikkel Kessler, Allan Green, Sakio Bika
    Bute: bt Fulgencio Zuniga, Librado Andrade, Edison Miranda, Jesse Brinkley

    I think it's understandable that the win over Bika was enough to put Ward above Bute. But Froch has undoubtedly done more at the weight, especially when you factor in the travelling that he's done compared to stay at home fighters in Ward and Bute.
     
  14. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Froch's resume is far better than Ward's or Bute's. The fight with Kessler was very close, he's beaten Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham... A better combined showing that the Californian's.

    And streaks ahead of the Romanian. Bute's best win is probably Andrade II.

    I'd say Froch, Ward, then Bute.
     
  15. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    If Froch was American he'd be in the Ring top spot. No question. The arguments for him to hold that position are too strong.