The Ring's 10 guys that would have beaten Mayweather

I didn't say both were as far past prime, but Mayweather's clearly slowed. Mosley was actually drained at 135 (he came in the ring at a massive 160lbs on occasion) and as a result got faster moving to 147 if you watch him

 

I have. Now you go watch 2 girls, 1 cup.

 

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herpa derp mayweather would beat the p4p #2 of all time in his own weight class derp.

 

I think that Kostya would have giving Floyd a lot of trouble as well, Lieght weight versions of Oscar and Mosley would have a great shot of beating Floyd.

The SFW Floyd was great, above LW has more of a question mark.

 

Frankie Zivic was one of the toughest fighters of the 40's. You simply can not use that logic of A had trouble with B to make your point especially when there's no application. Zivic was a rough, tough fighter who gave SRR some really tough fights. SRR learned the most from his fights with Zivic. That's how good he was. He also beat LaMotta, a big strong MW. Zivic was a tough SOB who gave most men tough times. You're right, Armstrong is not as good as people think. He's better.

As for Lou Ambers, he's one of the greatest fighters of all time. Better than Floyd, and has wins over Armstrong and Canzoneri. What wins does Floyd have that are comparable, let alone half as good at LW? Floyd's LW career is going 1-1 against Castillo.

When did Castillo admit he lost? He did give a few rounds away. No surprise you didn't use the punch-stats on this fight. Not.

When did I say that asshat. I was making a point of how agenda-driven your tone gets when talking about past fighters versus a fighter you like. Like Louis losing to Godoy. Not surprised you didn't get it.

Sure, and then Burley began fighting MWs. I don't know much about Zivic's management buying Burley's contract, but those ideas seem to reiterate why Burley went the path he did afterwards. I don't see how this is a justified standard of ducking, especially when compared to what Floyd does.

By the time Armstrong was welterweight champion he was still 135 so he could try making defense in his LW title as well. Burley lost his colored title by the time Armstrong was still fighting LWs (Ambers rematch). Armstrong could've fought Cocoa Kid but he didn't.

 

I disagree with DLH and Pryor, but yes, I'd take the rest.

Aaron is an animal, but rushed in straight lines and was quite dependent on his overhand right, which Mayweather does a great job of defending. Pryor can't beat Mayweather. He'd be hit all night and struggle to land anything back.

DLH I make 50/50. He had the jab and the power to do things, but would be at a sore technical loss. He overcame this against Quartey and spectacularly against Hernandez, but Mayweather is a different animal. He would have the energy to do better than he did in their fight, but he wouldn't have the size the past prime version Mayweather did beat had. He also wouldn't have the experience, and people fail to acknowledge how important experience is. I'd pick Mayweather, but Hoya has a great shot.

 

Maybe deserved a draw? So there's no question he won? Half the people that thought he did just missed the point?

Castillo at the very least has an argument for winning the first fight.

 

Goddamn it, it really annoys me that Floyd didn't fight Tszyu and many others in his career. He's sort of wasted it.

On the thread though, I think the most interesting match-up is Floyd and Pryor. I can't help but heavily favour Floyd in that one but it would be really entertaining.

 

Armstrong had incredible strength though, and the way Zivic beat Armstrong cannot be compared to what Mayweather would have in order to beat him. Zivic was much taller and he fought one of the dirtiest fights ever, nearly gouging out Armstrong's eyes.

Lou Ambers is more comparable, but I still think Armstrong beat him both times. He was penalized numerous rounds for low blows that I personally struggle to see on film.

 

Nah pal.

Burley was in his Welterweight prime when Armstrong was champ. He was about 145lbs and was fighting the occasional Middleweight but was a bona fide Welterweight.

Armstrong ducked Burley more than Robinson did IMO.

 

1. Zivic is tough, just not that good, embelish him all you want

2. Floyd does everything better than Ambers, watch the films. If you want the facts FMJ went 4-0 as a LW title fights, Armstrong went 1-1 in LW title fights against a fighter Floyd is superior too in every department

3. He didn't admit he lost, he admitted he gave away the early rounds and he would need to start earlier to win, the HBO commentators mention it in the rematch

4. I did highlight what you wrote in bold but here is what you wrote yet again, are you going senial?

5. I have mentioned the controversy with Godoy and questioned it, not shouting out and out Louis lost, more questioning if he did, it was an SD with Louis friendly judges after all

6. Burley and CK were the elite contenders in the divisions for the majority of Armstrongs reign, he fought neither

 

Armstrong himself wouldnt have ducked anyone, his management probably thought it was a bad idea in terms of risk reward.

 

Yeh, management whatever. Armstrong did not fight Burley when Burley could have been the best viable contender to beat him.

I don't put it against Armstrong at all though.

 

Mayweather is a smaller poor man's Kalambay.

 

Ambers would have beaten Mayweather.