The Ring's 80 Greatest Fighters Of The Last 80 Years

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now after discussing Bert's I hope we can discuss this list. This is from 2002 BTW.

    1.Sugar Ray Robinson
    2.Henry Armstrong
    3.Muhammad Ali
    4.Joe Louis
    5.Roberto Duran
    6.Willie Pep
    7.Harry Greb
    8.Benny Leonard
    9.Sugar Ray Leonard
    10.Pernell Whitaker
    11.Carlos Monzon
    12.Rocky Marciano
    13.Ezzard Charles
    14.Archie Moore
    15.Sandy Saddler
    16.Jack Dempsey
    17.Marvin Hagler
    18.Julio Cesar Chavez
    19.Eder Jofre
    20.Alexis Arguello
    21.Barney Ross
    22.Evander Holyfield
    23.Ike Williams
    24.Salvador Sanchez
    25.George Foreman
    26.Kid Gavilan
    27.Larry Holmes
    28.Mickey Walker
    29.Ruben Olivares
    30.Gene Tunney
    31.Dick Tiger
    32.Fighting Harada
    33.Emile Griffith
    34.Tony Canzoneri
    35.Aaron Pryor
    36.Pascual Perez
    37.Miguel Canto
    38.Manuel Ortiz
    39.Charley Burley
    40.Carmen Basilio
    41.Michael Spinks
    42.Joe Frazier
    43.Khaosai Galaxy
    44.Roy Jones Jr.
    45.Tiger Flowers
    46.Panama Al Brown
    47.Kid Chocolate
    48Joe Brown
    49.Tommy Loughran
    50.Bernard Hopkins
    51.Felix Trinidad
    52.Jake LaMotta
    53.Lennox Lewis
    54.Wilfredo Gomez
    55.Bob Foster
    56.Jose Napoles
    57.Billy Conn
    58.Jimmy McLarnin
    59.Pancho Villa
    60.Carlos Ortiz
    61.Bob Montgomery
    62.Freddie Miller
    63.Benny Lynch
    64.Beau Jack
    65.Azumah Nelson
    66.Eusebio Pedroza
    67.Thomas Hearns
    68.Wilfred Benitez
    69.Antonio Cervantes
    70.Ricardo Lopez
    71.Sonny Liston
    72.Mike Tyson
    73.Vicente Saldivar
    74.Gene Fullmer
    75.Oscar De La Hoya
    76.Carlos Zarate
    77.Marcel Cerdan
    78.Flash Elorde
    79.Mike McCallum
    80.Harold Johnson
     
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  2. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now for me Salvador Sanchez, Dick Tiger, Fighting Harada, Aaron Pryor, Migeul Canto, Khaosai Galaxy, Joe Brown, Bob Montgomery, Carlos Ortiz, Azumah Nelson, Eusebio Pedroza, Vicente Saldivar, Gene Fullmer, Oscar De La Hoya are all to high.

    Micky Walker, Gene Tunney, Tony Canzoneri, Jake Lamotta, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, and Ricardo Lopez, are all to low.
     
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  3. Sweet Pea

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    How in hell are Carlos Ortiz and Vicente Saldivar too high? Ortiz is about 30 places too low, IMO. I'd probably place Saldivar about 15-20 places higher as well.

    Ricardo Lopez is lucky to make the list at all.
     
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  4. TommyV

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    I don't agree with much of it, but these are the one's I have real problems with. Green = Too low, Purple = Too high.
     
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  5. El Cepillo

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    Trinidad 25 places ABOVE De La Hoya? :huh
     
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    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What? Lopez is to damn low
     
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    Red=Too high, Blue=Too low

    1.Sugar Ray Robinson
    2.Henry Armstrong
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    5.Roberto Duran
    6.Willie Pep
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    8.Benny Leonard
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    14.Archie Moore
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    20.Alexis Arguello
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    23.Ike Williams
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    26.Kid Gavilan
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    33.Emile Griffith
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    41.Michael Spinks
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    45.Tiger Flowers
    46.Panama Al Brown
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    49.Tommy Loughran
    50.Bernard Hopkins
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    52.Jake LaMotta
    53.Lennox Lewis
    54.Wilfredo Gomez
    55.Bob Foster
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    57.Billy Conn
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    59.Pancho Villa
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    62.Freddie Miller
    63.Benny Lynch
    64.Beau Jack
    65.Azumah Nelson
    66.Eusebio Pedroza
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    68.Wilfred Benitez
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    71.Sonny Liston
    72.Mike Tyson
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    74.Gene Fullmer
    75.Oscar De La Hoya
    76.Carlos Zarate
    77.Marcel Cerdan
    78.Flash Elorde
    79.Mike McCallum
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  8. Sweet Pea

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    That all depends on your criteria. You place no emphasis on the opponent's level of opposition, so you probably rate him top 10 all time or something like that. Out of curiosity, do you consider Sven Ottke an all time great, as well? Not comparing the two, just saying.
     
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  9. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No because unlike Ottke, Lopez was much more convining, fought the best he could and 90% of the timt done it in great fashion. And retired 51-0
     
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    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WTF. Muhhamad Ali and Joe Louis to high?:huh Sandy Saddler to high?:huh

    Chavez, Jofre, Hagler to high?:huh
     
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  11. TommyV

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    Ali really is a toss-up for top 10. He's either just in or just out, he shouldn't be as high as 3, in fact I think a top 4 of Langford, Robinson, Greb and Armstrong in whatever order is fixed and none of those should drop out. Louis shouldn't be top 10, I'd have him around #16. Chavez shouldn't really crack a top 20, I'd have him around #28 personally, Jofre shouldn't be top 20 either, I'd have him early 30's. Monzon I rate highly, but he still shouldn't be on the fringes of the top 10. He should probably be placed around the 20's. Saddler I don't really have that much of a problem with, though I do personally have him a bit lower around the mid-to-late 20's.
     
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  12. Sweet Pea

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    He didn't fight the best he could. He avoided the other two best fighters of the era in Michael Carbajal and Humberto Gonzalez, fighters whose primes directly coincided with his own. The fact is, aside from Rosendo Alvarez (who gave him all he could handle and arguably won the first fight), he never even faced a truly good fighter, much less a great one.

    He was obviously a very skilled fighter, and he dealt with his hapless opposition about as well as he could've, but he never proved himself to be truly great, IMO. I rate a guy like Jung-Koo Chang higher than I do Lopez.
     
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  13. Sweet Pea

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    Ali is borderline top 10, Louis borderline top 15. This is a P4P list, not a "most popular and conventionally accepted among mainstream fans" list.

    Far too high. Great fighter, but I think he gets a bit more overrated than not, for my liking. I'd have him about 15-20 places lower.

    All great fighters, Jofre being the only one I'd have him in my top 25, though. Hagler would be top 35, though. Chavez borderline top 40 or so.

    Then again, to be honest I'm mostly basing this on my all time list, without any 80 year restrictions. A few of those guys might be higher, and I probably wouldn't have any issue at all with Jofre's placing.
     
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  14. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What. It's a common known fact that Carbajal and Gonzalez avoided him. Everyone knows this. Please tell me you are joking, Lopez begged for them fights for years, but both didnt want to know.

    FACT
     
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  15. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a greatest fighters list. Ali and Louis are top 5 fighters of all time. Any chance i could see your top 10?
     
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