The Ring's 80 Greatest Fighters Of The Last 80 Years

Proof? I understood it was the other way around, that Lopez refused the offer by Carbajal's management.

 

What is the difference?

My top 10 would be something like (then again it changes pretty much every time I post it, so don't take it too seriously):

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Roberto Duran
Bob Fitzsimmons
Benny Leonard
Barney Ross
Muhammad Ali

 

The list needs a major overhaul if you ask me.

I can see Napoles and Foster got the shaft once again based upon their lack of recognition by a general populace that seldom watches the sport.

I think Powerpuncher would agree with me that Jones easily tops most everyone above him.

Ray Leonard I would drop dozens of spots below and replace him with the far worthier Terry Norris.

Whitaker tho skilled, gets overrated in his own era as so many often do. He would fit better in the top 40-60 range. I think that would be perfectly acceptable even to his most ardent fans.

A better choice would be Camacho who was at least as skilled and far faster.


Aaron Pryor as much as I like him, should drop a few spots while Mike Spinks could easily leapfrog over some of the ham and eggers above him ie; Basilio, Canzoneri, Williams, and Jc Chavez (way overrated).

Benitez, McCallum, Pedroza, Cervantes, Lopez, Lynch, Lewis, Trinidad, Hopkins, B. Jack, Miller, Conn, Gomez, Johnson, lamotta, Montgomery, Liston are all a waste of time and should be deleted for worthier replacements McGovern, Battling Nelson, Jeffries, Johnson, Fitzsimmons, Wolcott, Langford to name a few-people who made an impact on the sport

 

This is of the last eighty years most of the guys you mentioned dont qualify.

 

Thanks Essex.:good My mistake

 

Rooster is the resident Leonard hater, he doesnt mean it its genetics I reckon.

 

Yeah, but that really ****s the whole works up because then you have to seriously consider adding Simon Brown, Laurent Boudouani, Dana Ronseblatt, Keith Mullings, Derrick Kelly and of course Julian Jackson. I mean, if you replace Leonard with Terry Norris what do you do with Simon Brown and Julian Jackson? Do you put Julian Jackson ahead of Greb? Simon Brown ahead Langford? Is it cool to put Dana Rosenblatt ahead of say Eusebio Pedroza? ****, I don't even want to think about camacho. Is Camacho better than Duran? Help us out Rooster. These projections of yours are beyond normal human reasoning.

 

Leonard doesnt have enough of a resume to get that high. With a win over Pryor and Micheal Nunn, a Don Curry AND Lloyd Honeyghan, that's all he needs to get in. Add to the fact he never should have lost in the manner he did to Norris even if he was washed up, which he wasn't.

I like to see how champions rise to the occasion against someone who is up and coming and leonard never did that except with Hearns but he never dared try it against Hagler because he knew he'd lose.

Plus he never made a defense of his title at the higer weights while Norris made a record so he trumps Leonard and rises above him.

I already explained about Pernell. Jones easily leaps ahead of him into the top ten, maybe even top five. He is just so fast. Camacho is also very fast and will make mincemeat of any boxer including Whitaker.

Chavez is far too high. I think the popularity from the Mexican fans just went to their heads and they got carried away with the ranking. I actually believe Tony Ayala was p4p better. he was much more intense, more fearless, and could put a guy out quick.

 

winning every round from a 5-1 fave, a five time champion without a loss in 11 years is enough to convince me. Seeing is believing and I don't listen to chumps like you whose motive is to aire their sour grapes over TN's superiority.

 

Norris lost to someone named Derrick Kelly. Norris was DQ'd 3 times in his career (twice consecutively to the same guy) = stupid, unprofessional, classless, not the mark of a great champion. Norris was destroyed by Julian Jackson and Simon Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Norris came back and beat Brown, but the fact is Brown was past best in '94, was a natural welterweight, and was schooled (nearly shutout) by a much smaller Buddy McGirt 3 years prior to Norris beating him. And of course, Norris finished his career losing to the murderers row of Mullings, Rosenblatt, and Boudouani.
OK, let's be fair, who did Norris beat? He stopped a past best Mugabi. Mugabi had been stopped in 3 by the very ordinary Duane Thomas THREE AND A HALF YEARS earlier. Buster Drayton, pretty good fighter, alphabet champion. He beat the immortal Jorge Vaca in a split decision. The same Vaca who was blown out by Simon Brown. Rene Jacqout!! Ray Leonard, 4 years past the Hagler fight, at least 8 years past prime. He beat the shell of the fighter that used to be Donald Curry. The same Curry who was beaten earlier by Jacqout, stopped by Nunn and 4 years after McCallum knocked him out cold. He beat Bret Lally!!!!! He beat a shot and 14 lbs over his best weight Meldrick Taylor. He beat Paul Vaden!!! He beat Vince Pettway!!
I have no axe to grind against Norris. His resume is full of bad losses and overblown, good ON PAPER wins. He was a very good, but very flawed fighter. He's not an ATG. Sorry.

 

Pep, Monzon, and Marciano are definitely too high, probably Dempsey too.

Harold Johnson is far too low.

I have issues with a number of other placements, but those are by far the most glaring for me.

 

Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield are both too low, IMO.