You conveniently left out peter, brock, mccline (who destroyed Grant by the way), brewster, thompson who all rank higher than tua, grant and tyson in 00s. Tua, Grant and Tyson were not relevant in 00s and "win" over Vitali is not really meaningful without the rematch.
----- Liston shouldn't be #2 in the 1950s, imo. Wlad and Lewis are close for #1 in the 2000s. Lewis has the best win during the 3.5 years he was active in the decade. Wlad has much more depth in his resume. Wlad also unified the titles, while Lewis did the opposite. It is close.
He have a case, blows out the number 1 ranked contender in a round, than does the same to Patterson, than retires as undfeated heavyweight champ, being the 2nd after Marciano. People put short champs like Bowe or Foreman(First rein) in the top 15. Assuming Ingo does that, he have a case. What drop him was his losses to Patterson, and not reining long.
did you even read the post In quoted? I was comparing a top 5. since when do you need a successful rematch for a win to be relevant? you should save this sort of stupidity for the general forum pal, you might find people there who fall for ya daft nonsense :good
No need to get so defensive dude. We are just chatting. If you think your opinion here matters you should get outside more often.
I'm not getting defensive. I have no reason to be, you are but a faceless line of text on my computer screen. I'm saying that what you're saying is quite nonsensical. Were you following boxing during Lewis's reign? If so you'd realise how silly it was calling the tua and tyson wins irrelevant. Why would my opinion matter? I think you're taking this whole forum thing too seriously kid, go back to the general where it's a bit more light hearted :good
I give Lewis a lot of stock vs the Tua win. Yes it was not a pretty fight nor action pack, but Tua was in or near his prime at that time, and Lewis out box him for 12 rounds. I dont give as much stock vs Tyson, yes Tyson show heart and guts taking the beating he did. But this was past prime, shot Tyson. Tyson would soon lose to guys like Williams and that Irish guy. I think the Tyson win is irrelevant. Lewis has Holyfiled(I belive the rematch was 2000) Tua, Grant, VK, and for a shot time Rahman who shock the world before he went down hill.
It was a fight that absolutely had to happen though. As shot as Tyson was, he'd just dominated golota and with the hype around him he was a consensus top rated contender. I didn't watch this fight live actually, I listened to it on the radio I've watched it a few times though and after the 2nd round Tyson is basically a punch bag. Holy rematch was 99. Rahman really did shake up the world with that performance :good
Golota was about as shot as Tyson by than lol. We had 2 1980's/90's heavyweights faceing each other in the 2000's a decade late. Mike Tyson got that title shot because well, He was Mike Tyson, that would be about the same as Joe Louis returning from retirement, and taking on Ezzard Charles for the crown with out a win over a top contender. Hell even after Tyson lost and won a few fights by first 1 kos, there were talks about a rematch with Lewis and perhaps Tyson would ko Lewis this time. atsch Tyson has this myth around him that even when shot and past his prime, gets him unearn title shots/rankings. I dont think the fight HAD to happen, but if it didnt, we would claim Lewis duck him perhaps. When Tyson gets a 1 round ko over a bum or shot fighter, We look at Tyson like he is prime 1980's Tyson and the media fell for it.
Just like wen johnson beat jeffries, it was seen as the pinnacle of his career. The icing on the cake. For him to then beat up and stop his heir apparent is a huge bonus.
How many eliminators or titles did Tua or Tyson win in 00s? Besides, if you actually followed boxing at the time you must remember Lewis getting the same **** as Klitschko brothers are getting now - the dominant champs facing lackluster opposition. If you re-read my original post: Byrd has comparable resume with Lewis if you count only 2000s - he has wins over the same or better opponents. It is ridiculous to rate Lewis higher than Wlad just because he beat shot Tyson.