The rise of a legend

I don't understand why. Could be you are understimating Hector. Hector went undefeated from the time he turned pro, 1980, until the end of the decade. Fact is, I think few people on this forum have seen Hector's prime and don't even know when it was. I believe few people here know little about the real Hector save for Duodenum.

I look at the common opponent Ramirez during Hector's time at the top (I discount the Chavez fight because HC already took his first loss prior to)

Ramirez is almost the fighter Chavez was based on the way both he and Chavez fared with Pernell. His come forward style closely matches that of Chavez and Jose competed well with Julio in their fight.

based on Jose's performance vs 1985 Camacho, one would think Jose Luis would have given Hector a good beating also but in reality, Hector didn't have the least bit of trouble with the pressure tactics of Ramirez or any other fighter during his prime.

In fact, Ramirez was way easy for Hector, and was even farther ahead then Pernell was. That's because Hector was sharper and faster than Pernell and even better on his feet. Check the videos if you dont believe me.

Prime Hector is going to be too fast for JC who avoided him for years and even Pernell, tho I think Pernell would give him a good fight.

As for Chavez, he's not nearly so lucky. I believe a young Hector when motivated would have been too much for him to handle. I'm not knocking Julio, he's my homey. But at 130, this fight is no contest!!

Hector with that explosive right jab would catch Julio coming in hard. He would just take a quick step over to his right and simultaneously fire it, thudding into JC's face, already rushing in. JC as usual, would repeat his same mistake of following Hector around and catching more jabs and one two combos.

After several rounds of punishment, as Julio begins to wear down, the left eye begins to tear and opens wider with gore spilling out. A horrified Chavez backs away and motions to the ref to stop it but allows it to continue. Hector moves in firing jabs, hooks, uppercuts, body blows, until the referee steps in to save a helpless Chavez.

 

yes, this is true. I read it from an independent source. It was either in KO or World boxing but less than a year out of the pros, Pernell and Hector had a go of it in sparring and Hector did indeed put a whipping on Pernell. Abused would be the word for it. Hector got much the better of it because it was Pernell's corner that stepped in to save him.

 

He could by busting him up. That's what Oscar did, then he went to work on him with the combinations and the ref stepped in.

 

Remember what happened the last time you asked that John. You couldnt handle it and took the night off not wanting to face me again. You had your backup ready but as it turned out, that didnt work either.

No, there will be no more of my going out of my way to retrieve evidence for people who won't accept facts. Matter of fact, I dont think people are really interested in facts. Like yourslef, if they dont like what they see, they ignore it alltogether. As you said John "I dont care about your facts, I've got oodles of my own factoids"

you'll just have to take my word for it.

 

Wouldnt be any different. He lost to him twice by tko and Oscar wasn't even that far along yet. That's enough to convince me who the better man was.

 

That's why Oscar granted him a rematch but Julio wasnt to crazy about the result that time either.

 

Now let me ask you something. Why should I believe that an amateur would school a dominant pro like Hector? He sure didnt have the speed that Hector had-never did in fact. how's he going to touch him? Get real, and next time bring me some actual footage instead of relying on heresay.