The rise of a legend

Thank god we got that sorted

The day the likes of you take in what i say or agree is the day i give up posting :nut

 

Errr... Greg won the first fight and he was stoned when he did it. It would have been an unfair DRAW had he not gotten the point. Greg was an outstanding fighter, one of the last of the cuties. He made Camacho look like the one-dimensional hype-job he was. Didn't help his cause that Camacho was a total asswipe.

And yeah, he beat Jimmy Paul, Fred Roach, and Paz. So, he sucked.

 

Haugen was an ass wipe too. I dunno what I enjoy more... watching Chavez torture Haugen for 5 rounds, or watching Whitaker make Haugen look like a club fighter for 12 rounds.

Haugen was a good fighter, but outstanding is a stretch. Haugen wouldnt be the top lightweight in ANY lightweight era, whilst Camacho would rule the current 135 division.

 

Dont compare Camacho to Jones. A prime Jones was on a different level from Camacho, and had more talent. Roy also had zero bad habits, and thus retained his talent for longer. Camacho shortened his prime by partying, and doing coke.

 

Another contributor was actually fighting better fighters nearer their prime like Rosario, Haugen and Chavez. Camacho's best wins are actually quite tame really comparative to others. I'd nominate Rosario's win over Bramble the better of any of Camacho's. Haugen's win over Paul pretty much matches anything from Camacho excepting the very dubious match vs Rosario.

The Ramirez win was superb, but stylistically it doesn't come any better for Camacho.

Camacho was never the same confident boxer after feeling the Rosario power, and it's been stated again and again by very respected authorities.

At the end of the day, for all his flash and talent he just didn't have the relish for the battle needed to fulfill his promise. He's not alone on that front, there have been others.

A bit more grit, determination and mogrel and he might have been anything.

 

It's good to know that on the ESB board three time world champs suck.

Keep up the astute work. De-evolution seems to be working.

 

Well, it would be great if you can find it. We have discussed this many times and I would like to get to the bottom of it, rather than simply going off remembrances and perceptions.

The fact is, there are sources which say the opposite, that Pernell got the best of it, and so anything that says different is worth referencing.

Regarding Camacho's/Roy's speed I'm sure every intelligent observer that witnessed their primes nutted out that speed in fact was NOT everything, and fighters WERE capable of competing with Camacho and Jones given different talents.

For example, look at Camacho's fight with Rosario. More sources than not think Camacho lost that fight, and Rosario was not near as quick as Camacho. What he did bring was a powerful punch, and he exposed a weakness in Camacho, that of not liking punishment, which showed up in Camacho's later days.

With Roy Jones we had the likes of Montell Griffin, who was not near as quick as Roy giving him fits in the first fight, simply with his awkward defensive counter-punching style. We also had an ancient Mike McCallum taking 3 or 4 rounds off Jones through his smarts. He definitely wasn't anything near the physical specimen Roy was at the time, but it is but a PART of what makes a boxer.

What we know about Pernell Whitaker is that he is competitive as ****, and he always raised the level of his game when he faced his biggest challenges.

We also know the exact opposite is true about Camacho.

 

I think his next fight with Paz after that suggests otherwise.

They(Camacho and Haugen) both looked pretty equally past their peaks when they fought IMO.

 

This whole thread is a moot point anyway.

Camacho dedicated half his career to running from a rematch with Rosario.

Legend over.

 

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I am glad you are starting to see the light John, its about time

 

Hector, greatness to the core of his toenails.


LEGEND.