The rise of (eastern) EURO boxing..........has it had a positive inpact???

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

sean said:

it has been now nearly 18 years since an american heavy beat a european, since then eastern block fighters have been turning pro.

and they have been unsuccessfull, no question. but unsuccess is not always a good thing. think of mcdonalds: they are as successfull as you can be,as every american heavyweight knows only to well but have they contributed positively to the health/eating habits of the worlds population???

so they have been so unsuccessfull that some people even claim that they are an irrelevence to the sport.

but what has been their contribution to boxing outside of losing and eating mcdonalds.

when you think of boxing, what is the thing that first comes to mind??? what is boxings lifeblood??? what memory of boxing puts a smile on your face???

for me, its simple: its the memory of big european fight nights. great fights. great fight series etc.

first it were just the US fighters that provided the action. ruiz-oquendo. tony tubbs v greg page
then the latins entered and did their share (and a bit more). in the eightees and ninetees brits and latin americans set the bar.

now think of the recent years during which the eastern euro fighters have been around.........think of the great fights. how big a part did they take in providing memorable fights???

the eastern euro flagship fighters for years have been the klitschkos.

vitaly provided ten exciting fights and he retired when he found out there were no american heavies worthy of his attention.

wlad either knocks his opponent stiff or outboxes them..

maskaev, chagaev, valuev and ibragimov./dimetrenko/boystov/virchis/.........the list is endlesss, but there is always james toney, last seen doing a mcdonalds type pub crawl in cleveland.

karmazin makes pretty good fights.

sergej dzinziruk is damm good.

memorable fights involving an eastern euro include 20 of dairus michaelzwekis worth anybodys money going out and purchasing a darious tuitle fight collection dvd.

involved in war after war.

the style that eastern euros usually and very successfully employ can be summed up as following: hands up, chin down. both gloves tightly infront of their face, elbows in while employing a rather square stance. kinda like a turtle that has all of its limbs tucked in leaving no exposed area to attack.

they move into range of their opponent, looking for him to start his attack with lead punches that they can block........only to counter with quick straight and very accurate punches.
this they do round after round.

very effective, no question. hard to beat.

but does this make for memerable fights?? yep

i recently watched fights like hopkins v taylor 1 and 2 and smoke gainers entire career collection /raheems greatest ko dvd , a good 2 secs well spent/
paul malinaggi v ngogdju/ and then i saved spinks for last, a great 8 hours action packed edge of the seat thrill a minute that was.

only needed 3 speed pills and 5 pints of coffee and the time flew bye.

not exactly barnburners, but very gracefull displays of boxing. the art of slipping punches and then not countering. pulling someone in and "suckering him up".nefore pulling back out again without hitting the opponent.
alternating between long range posing and clinching on the inside.

even a non-slugfest contains beauty.

and the eastern euro style provides that.

yes, as i said several times, it is effective and successfull. and it may take over the sport.

so if the eastern euro fighters are taking over (and with them, the eastern euro style of boxing)...........what are the chances of american boxing fans getting to enjoy fights like abraham v ikkeke when american tv seems not to know where europe is.

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PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

BTW i just wanted to add that they all really do suck and they just got lucky that Ray Lewis plays in the NFL......yeah that's what it is.

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

Golota made Bowe look like a Eastern Euro fighter.

PACZ · Feb 20, 2008

"on east side boxing set up for east european boxing."

YES, I POSTED ON HERE MANY YEARS AGO WHERN YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT. I WAS TRYING TO FIND MORE INFO ON E.EURO BOXERS AND I FOUND THIS SITE!

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

I randomly joined ESB.

I didnt know it was a Eastern Euro board at one time until recently.

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

PolishPummler said:

Bika aint American and the American got KTFO.So much for standing and trying to trade.

I got a question for you...can you name a punch drunk Euro fighter?
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No takers on my question huh!

Punisher33 · Feb 20, 2008

PolishPummler said:

No takers on my question huh!
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I dont want to sound ignorant or that, but alot of current Eastern Euro's sound punch drunk to me, but it's hard to tell becuase there english is so bad. Iggy sounds punch drunk to me, Brian Kenny on FNF had to interpret to the listening audience what he was trying to say.

bumdujour · Feb 20, 2008

sean said:

it has been now nearly 18 years since an american heavy beat a european, since then eastern block fighters have been turning pro.

and they have been unsuccessfull, no question. but unsuccess is not always a good thing. think of mcdonalds: they are as successfull as you can be,as every american heavyweight knows only to well but have they contributed positively to the health/eating habits of the worlds population???

so they have been so unsuccessfull that some people even claim that they are an irrelevence to the sport.

but what has been their contribution to boxing outside of losing and eating mcdonalds.

when you think of boxing, what is the thing that first comes to mind??? what is boxings lifeblood??? what memory of boxing puts a smile on your face???

for me, its simple: its the memory of big european fight nights. great fights. great fight series etc.

first it were just the US fighters that provided the action. ruiz-oquendo. tony tubbs v greg page
then the latins entered and did their share (and a bit more). in the eightees and ninetees brits and latin americans set the bar.

now think of the recent years during which the eastern euro fighters have been around.........think of the great fights. how big a part did they take in providing memorable fights???

the eastern euro flagship fighters for years have been the klitschkos.

vitaly provided ten exciting fights and he retired when he found out there were no american heavies worthy of his attention.

wlad either knocks his opponent stiff or outboxes them..

maskaev, chagaev, valuev and ibragimov./dimetrenko/boystov/virchis/.........the list is endlesss, but there is always james toney, last seen doing a mcdonalds type pub crawl in cleveland.

karmazin makes pretty good fights.

sergej dzinziruk is damm good.

memorable fights involving an eastern euro include 20 of dairus michaelzwekis worth anybodys money going out and purchasing a darious tuitle fight collection dvd.

involved in war after war.

the style that eastern euros usually and very successfully employ can be summed up as following: hands up, chin down. both gloves tightly infront of their face, elbows in while employing a rather square stance. kinda like a turtle that has all of its limbs tucked in leaving no exposed area to attack.

they move into range of their opponent, looking for him to start his attack with lead punches that they can block........only to counter with quick straight and very accurate punches.
this they do round after round.

very effective, no question. hard to beat.

but does this make for memerable fights?? yep

i recently watched fights like hopkins v taylor 1 and 2 and smoke gainers entire career collection /raheems greatest ko dvd , a good 2 secs well spent/
paul malinaggi v ngogdju/ and then i saved spinks for last, a great 8 hours action packed edge of the seat thrill a minute that was.

only needed 3 speed pills and 5 pints of coffee and the time flew bye.

not exactly barnburners, but very gracefull displays of boxing. the art of slipping punches and then not countering. pulling someone in and "suckering him up".nefore pulling back out again without hitting the opponent.
alternating between long range posing and clinching on the inside.

even a non-slugfest contains beauty.

and the eastern euro style provides that.

yes, as i said several times, it is effective and successfull. and it may take over the sport.

so if the eastern euro fighters are taking over (and with them, the eastern euro style of boxing)...........what are the chances of american boxing fans getting to enjoy fights like abraham v ikkeke when american tv seems not to know where europe is.

will the success of the eastern euro style in the end be a bad thing for boxing??? i mean after all you are posting on east side boxing set up for east european boxing and surely this was ther sloe contributing factor to posters like bumdajour joining to glory and bath in the glory of east european boxing

this has been a pisstake on behalf of seanlikeseuropean boxing party.
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most of your points have not been challenged by me. where did i say that toney was an exciting performer???

i didnt, so why do you point this out??

i said that boxing is defined by memorable fights.

i just said that the eastern euro style is made to provide
and i gave examples by mentioning fights.

you see this different.........okay, that is your taste, not mine.

i think the us/latin style contributes more to making memorable fights.........and i have pointed out examples.

and i post here cause boxing today is strongly influenced by european boxing.
again, as i have pointed out.

so most of your points referr to points i never made or you make suggestions regarding my person that you could have figured out by reading my line of argumentation.

so i ask again, what is the point of you rant?? are you just trying to be insulting??

marting · Feb 20, 2008

I'm an American and a loooooooooooong time boxing fan dating back to the 60's. I've been a fan of boxers not countries. Where a fighter comes from doesn't mean **** to me as long as I see talent.

I grew disillusioned with the sport in the late 80's and started to watch it less and less frequently. Partly because of the transition from broadcast TV fights being replaced with PPV and partly because marquee matchups were becoming less frequent.

I think the sport became far more interesting and deeper with the advent of the Eastern European fighters after the demise of the Soviet empire. The post-Soviet economic conditions were ideally suited for spawning fighters and with the talent pool of old Soviet amateurs now faced with a capitalist landscape boxing was fortunate to have them.

Personally I think boxing would be thin and less interesting without the Eastern Euro fighters.

PACZ · Feb 20, 2008

PolishPummler said:

I randomly joined ESB.

I didnt know it was a Eastern Euro board at one time until recently.
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YUP!

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

Punisher33 said:

I dont want to sound ignorant or that, but alot of current Eastern Euro's sound punch drunk to me, but it's hard to tell becuase there english is so bad. Iggy sounds punch drunk to me, Brian Kenny on FNF had to interpret to the listening audience what he was trying to say.
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There's a difference between being punch drunk and having a very thick accent.

You gotta give em credit for trying and not speaking through a translator.

When you get to a certain age and learn a new language you will never shake your accent.

Loufatski · Feb 20, 2008

RICH said:

Great Question. Outside Of The Klits (vitali & Vlad) I Cant Really Remember An Action Pack Nonstop Memorable Fight From The Easterns.
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Duh!?! Who started it all?? Andrew Golota!!

Bowe-Golota II is the best heavyweight brawl ever.

Loufatski · Feb 20, 2008

Punisher33 said:

The Euro take over as some call it, is just a cycle. If were talking about the Heavyweights, just a little over 2 years ago it was all American champs, Brewster- WBO, Rahman- WBC, Ruiz- WBA, and Bryd- IBF. The Heavyweight division has not improved in quality or popularity since the Euros started coming to America and fighting, it's only now we see the Euro's doing well because of the lack of talent on the American side, where were they in the 90s, when the American fighters were extremely talented and popular?

I dont see the Heavyweight division improving much, because the Euro's lack of personality and talent as whole, is what most American fans look for in a Heavyweight, even if Wlad does go on to win another title or two, it doesnt really matter, when your beating weak competition IMO.
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Brewster, Rahman, Ruiz and Byrd can't compare. Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

Loufatski · Feb 20, 2008

bumdujour said:

golota makes exciting fights cause he is a nutcase.

adamek i mentioned.

jirov is gone.

kostya........what knockdown dragout brawl are you talking about he took part in???
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Golota being a "nutcase" is only 10% of why his fights are exciting. He comes to fight, always! He doesn't trash talk and he's always in shape.

PolishPummler · Feb 20, 2008

Loufatski said:

Brewster, Rahman, Ruiz and Byrd can't compare. Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Like i said before those guys were no better or exciting(except Brewster when getting his ass kicked)

Calvin Brock and Rahman would probably be belt holders today if the Euro's werent around<<<<<that doesnt sound that exciting.

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