The Russian Giant

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  1. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    A lot of talk about size of late at ESB :bbb

    If size is not a advantage how could Nickoli Valuev become a partial world champ by degree?

    lets discuss size :hat
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Size is an an advantage depending on the fighters involved
    Plus the optimum word is partial.
    He still lost his belt to a 210 pound fighter though.
     
  3. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    totally agree, but a pound for pound top skill level fighter,,,Nicky was very slow and unskilled comparatively so one can argue he shouldn't of made 12 rounds with a top guy and it was incredible that he did and made it fairly competitive. Well imo, lol
     
  4. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well obviously Haye chose to run and he just got away with it.
    It's significant though that his 2 losses and possibly a 3rd against Holyfield were against the smaller heavyweights.
     
  5. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    yeah that's a fair point,,,,,,,,

    i guess at some point the speed difference that the smaller guys have can overcome the giant angles that are controlled by the larger limbs and body.

    i boxed smaller guys back in the day and i really noticed it was easy to get the better of them with my size compared to vice versa but that was under 200lbs so everything is relative
     
  6. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I say it depends on the fighters. Some small guys will have the ability to present the bigger guy with problems, some won't, I don't think it's absolute.
    So did you fight as a pro or just the amateur game?
     
  7. latineg

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    sorry, no pro's , i couldn't take the punches at am and quit soon after starting, i did a lot of sparring with other am's for a few more years after that however,,,just made sure it was with guys that wouldn't take my head off :rasta
     
  8. latineg

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    Thing with Valuev was he had such limited skills, had he been trained as a boxer from the time he was 7 its possible his skills just being that much better would of been good enough to become a lasting champ.

    i could be wrong, but if i was to guess i would not be surprised that in 30 years if there is a heavy weight champ that is close to 7 foot tall.

    I know a lot of boxing fans hate the basketball and football comparisons, however, 7 foot tall players in the NBA used to be unskilled until Wilt 40 years ago. Now 7 footers with skill are a normal thing on every NBA team. We just keep getting bigger and taller with better co-ordination.

    Being 7 foot with "decent" boxing skills and proper training from a young age would be such a advantage when fighting fighting shorter and maybe smaller heavys. The angles for a tall guy make it such a advantage for a tall guy to "catch" a smaller guy coming in then it does vice versa.
     
  9. latineg

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    if Valuev were stripped naked and let go in the bush there would be a rash of big foot sightings.
     
  10. fists of fury

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    Size will always matter. It always has. But skill counts for more and always will.

    Ergo, a big, skilled heavyweight will always do well in the division. Wlad for instance has done very well.
    But also...he has had a size advantage over smaller skilled heavies like Byrd and a skill advantage over big but less skilled fighters like Wach or Thompson.

    Yet, on occassion he has proven vulnerable.
    Even with all his talents and gifts, he has had to play it smart because on any given day, anyone can lose. In his case, less-than-stellar opposition turned the trick.

    Also, some huge heavies have still been knocked out, so no heavyweight no matter how big is too big to get knocked out.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    It's size, skill , styles and age .. always has been .. when he was decisioned by Haye, Valuev was 35 plus and essentially defeated by a very well conditioned, fast opponent .. it happens ..
     
  12. Saltzy

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    Larry Donald, Holyfield, and Haye definitely all beat Valuev, possibly more I just couldn't bring myself to watch him. He was big enough to make an inactive fight very close and often got the nod because of it. Punching him you could watch fighters gloves bounce off that giant dome of his.

    For someone so large you'd expect him to have a little bit more power but he was so dang slow
     
  13. latineg

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    yeah i agree those 3 beat him,, my point is that is 3 very skilled boxers, Valuev was not skilled and without his size he couldn't of even competed with them.

    lol at watching his fights, i know, holy **** they were horrid :!:
     
  14. Saltzy

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    I definitely agree that his size carried him in those and the majority of his fights. I believe the same is true for Wladimir and Vitali. If Wladimir was shorter his jab would be inaffective, he wouldn't be able to lay on his opponents in the clinch. Vitali's awkward style would be even worse if he was smaller, the hands down approach and awkward punches wouldn't be near as effective and he'd have been hit much much more and just been another generic awkward fighter.

    That being said fighters use what was given to them, Valuev was clearly the less skilled of those 3 men and it showed but theres no questioning that size carried him to the title. He turned from a D+ skilled fighter into a champion because of that size
     
  15. latineg

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    aye, well said :good