*The second knockdown: It is clear that Cotto wanted the fight to stop...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Asterion, Jul 28, 2008.


  1. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What I was trying to say was:

    You don't see in most fights boxers taking knees (twice) in the same round. It is not common or normal.
     
  2. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    So when Kermit started crying and quit in the first Margrito fight, that was just smart right? When Duran quit on his stool vs. Leonard there was nothing wrong about that, it was something to be honored? Freitas quitting against Diaz should also be honored as well right?

    Get the **** out of here, a fighter who quits at their first real sign of opposition is a fighter you should keep an eye on.
     
  3. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto did take a knee. You can call it quitting if you want but you could also say it is itelligent. You get a breather and a chance to regroup. It's similar to holding but you lose points for it and get a longer rest.

    It may not be as 'heroic' as going out on your shield but if it wins you the fight and/or stops you getting brutally knocked out then i see no problem in it. Many boxer's have done it before and many will continue to do it.

    Its like torture. Everyone has a breaking point. In boxing, if your opponents punches dont knock you down then there is only so much punishment you can take before you break and go down of your own accord.
     
  4. brown_bomber

    brown_bomber BROWN BOMBER Full Member

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    this thread should be deleted immediately, how do you know cotto wanted to quit maybe he felt like taking a knee because he wanted to catch his breath? ragardless of why he took a knee the man is still a warrior, margarito was the better man on the night enough said
     
  5. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    I guess that is way it is the great fighters that can ignore their limit and hang on to victory. Williams did it against Margarito, if Cotto couldn't it shows he doesn't have heart.
     
  6. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    You know what, he is a talented boxer, but he isn't a warrior. Warriors do not quit. Lets call a spade a spade. Cotto was in a great fight, great back and forth, but he quit when he came to the conclusion he couldn't hurt Margarito.
     
  7. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    what the **** is the matter with you!

    First thing first
    Cotto gave everything he had, he fought hard, he got hit, his face was a mess, he took a knee. Why continue if he can't anymore. If it's wrong or if it should be honored, who am I to tell, I am not on his shoes and neither you are.
     
  8. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I partially agree.

    But this wasn't as simple as that. The first time, Cotto took a knee.

    The second time (and to do it a second time is rare) he was staring at Margarito, without protecting himself with his hands. Margarito started coming forward, to fight, and Cotto started going backwards. Cotto walked backwards without defending himself, and when Margarito was very close he went down.

    Usually, fighters take a knee after a lot of punishment. In this case, Margarito didn't even touch Cotto.
     
  9. brown_bomber

    brown_bomber BROWN BOMBER Full Member

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    am going to have to watch the fight again to assess that but whats stupid is before this fight happened everyone was on side of cotto saying he was going to beat margarito easily now that he lost everyone is bad mouthing :patsch.. regardless of whether cotto quit or not he still fought like a warrior
     
  10. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why? Because you do not agree with it? :bart
     
  11. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    he was out on his feet after the first knockdown, the fact that he beat the count means he's not a quitter... so he decided to ultimately save himself some punishment, so what?

    anyone who can sit at their computer and disrespect a warrior like Cotto because after being badly beaten up he decided enough was enough needs slap themselves

    a quitter would have folded at the first sign of adversity. would you people prefer cotto to have carried on and ended up in the hospital? :patsch
     
  12. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Great, I understand he gave everything, but that does not negate the fact the guy quit. Miguel should have dug deep, but the only thing he did was quit, just like Cintron, except he let his corner take him out instead of quitting on the stool.

    The thing about honoring actions, is it is not done by people "in the other person's shoes" it is done by witnesses to the event. I don't honor Cotto or excuse him for looking for a way out and quitting a fight when the going got tough.
     
  13. Sheehan

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    well anyone with some common sense would know that he had taken enough and it was understandable to not wanna carry on, are you too stupid to realise that?
     
  14. brown_bomber

    brown_bomber BROWN BOMBER Full Member

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    i feel disgusted by some of my fellow ESB'ians :-:)-:)-:)-(
     
  15. Iceveins

    Iceveins Puglistic Linguistics Full Member

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    God damn you are an idiot.