Since you wrote this every other thread...you just might be (are) wrong!!! No way is Tyson top 10...15 yes! he was great, but your going overboard!!!!
Really? I used to have him at 11, i'll admit, but I just couldn't defend it...would love to see your 10. I have him at 9.
no he not. Who in ur opinion outboxed Foreman during his prime (he was not in his prime vs Young btw). Even Ali could not avoid his punches, and Ali had an extremely tough chin so he survided, many others would not.
Stylistically speaking Liston and Lewis would've blasted Frazier out very early on too (certainly the '73 version). Tyson would have a great chance too providing he lands first. Frazier certainly wasn't shot at that stage, but nonetheless had noticeably lost that extra edge post '71 which had made him ultra special. He was still a fine fighter of course but in any sense Foreman was a stylistic Mount Everest for him to climb. :good
Peak for peak I'd favour Ali, Liston, Lewis, Holmes, Tyson and Johnson (slightly) all to beat Foreman.
What is your criteria for ranking fighters? And based on that criteria what 10 fighters could you possibly have in front of Tyson?
I think the problem with Foreman is he looks a bit like he could be outpunched by a great puncher (like Lyle, but a great puncher) and outboxed by a great boxer (i struggle to imagine him beating a Holmes or a Lewis) and he can clearly be out-thought and out-generaled, as we saw in the case of Ali. He's got good raw, but he looks awful, pushing, reaching. Wide punches, no plan B. Dempsey ko4 Foreman.
I do think that Foreman would beat Dempsey, though (and Marciano too). Both would be early-mid round stoppages. Just too big, powerful and strong for each of 'em.
If you want to discuss top 10 ATG's start a thread...but i will give a top 15 just because! 1 Ali 2 Holmes 3 Louis 4 Marciano 5 Foreman 6 Dempsey 7 Frazier 8 lewis 9 Liston 10 Holyfield 11 johnson 12 Tyson 13 Bowe 14 jeffries 15 Patterson
How can he be one of the "obvious answers". He is rated by most knowledgeable critics as "the greatest". He fought everybody. He has got a great record. How can anybody say that he is overrated? Yes, he was human.