The Siri That Beat Loma? How Good?

When push came to shove, I did not see the same thing from kovalev. Loma bit down on his gum shield and got to work without the ref.

 

The way boxing is today, and actually it's been like this for quite sometime: No matter how much talent, skill, and athleticism you display in your fights, even against decent to good opposition, for a boxer to cement themselves as a legitimate prospect, and future champion or contender -- IMO -- they have to have a baptism by fire, and for a plethora of reasons, that baptism almost has to be against a Mexican or Chicano boxer, because they are prominently the boxers to be able to serve up that type of resistance, and are usually the best at it.

 

100% abso-****ing-lutely. I like and respect Kovalev as a boxer and for his talent and skill, but I see nowhere near the grit and balls in him that's needed to be truly great and have a HOF type or even ATG type career. No disrespect to any of these guys, but in that respect I see Tyson, Rigo, and Kovalev similar. They can be mentally beaten and intimidated quite easily, all their opponent needs to do more or less is hang, in there, take their best shots, and keep coming at them. Those three, they look for an out and later an excuse, they don't look to win. There isn't more of a contrast in intangibles than Mr. Benavidez and those three.

 

i see the same in japanese fighters and pinoys, they usually come to fight, they just dont compare in the number of skilled warriors. im loving all these samurai coming through lately. monster is just that, a monster, and i love the gut check takeshi just put on munguia.

 

I think the difference was styles. Loma struggled a lot with Salido’s effective aggression and timing, since Salido wasn’t giving Loma any space to work while on the other hand Salido’s aggression worked to Mikey’s advantage, since it made it easy for Mikey to setup his counters.

That said to Salido’s credit he was in his late 30’s and at least 3-4 years past his prime against both Mikey and Loma. JMM and Gamboa fought much better versions of Salido.

 

I agree completely but I think the Philipines and the other southeast Asian islands and or countries produce boxers with a little bit more of that than most of the Japanese phenoms/stars. And to me, again, it goes back to necessity and being from somewhere that offers little to no hope in terms of escaping and making a life somewhere else and NEEDING boxing, or more specifically, needing to succeed in boxing to be able to provide for yourself and family.

That was one of the parallels I was trying to make the other day between the 3 major northeastern US cities: Boston, NYC, and Philly in comparison to Chicano culture. All three cities have all primarily been populated with immigrants from the same exact areas: Ireland and Italy and then Puerto Rico, The Dominican Republic, and Brazil, so obviously they all dealt with the tremendous stress and difficulty of moving to a totally new country, all had to face poverty and any type of financial stability(or any type of stability,) they all faced discrimination and bigotry/racism -- though nowhere near the same extent that black Americans and Chicanos have to/had to face, all had to overcome oppression to varying agrees, and flat out had it ROUGH. Since the northeast and southwest have largely been impacted by migration patterns more so than the rest of the US, it's people have lived much different lives as opposed to other parts of the country, and it's people can relate to a lot of the same difficulties, though no doubt migrating to the US from Mexico is FAR more difficult than for the European immigrants, but what struck me the most was the similarities between Mexican/Chicano culture, Irish/Italian American culture in the northeast, and PR/DR/and other West Indies cultures. For all the prejudice, bigotry, oppression, racism, and close mindedness one could have about another or all the others stated, the funny thing is, once you go away from home and HAVE to make it work living in crappy barracks with people from everywhere with little in actual common, and once you truly befriend others and totally lose focus on race/culture and your mind finally opens up, I could never get over the fact how close and similar and sometimes identical all our cultures, ideologies, principles, beliefs, and values were, and dudes from those areas always seemed to live life by a strict code, and it was all but the same code. It really made my transition so much better after realizing all that and acclimating to everything. I've always said and considered Boston/Greater Boston area to be my home, but deep down I know home will always be SoCal.

 

ive been room mates with, or had a close enough relationship where we went over to each others houses regularly with, whites, blacks, native americans, vietnamese, iraqi, yupik eskimo. i am, or have been at one time, a member of very diverse circles of friends and acquaintances including, tx. rednecks, midwest farmers, mexicans, liberal city dwellers, conservative country folk, groups of artists, groups of gangsters, groups of soldiers, groups of gamblers, groups of drug fiends, groups of Christians, groups of heros, groups of villains, groups of sportsmen, groups of animal breeders... and ive picked all those minds. ive got some pretty far out theories about the things that make us different and those that make us the same, but i will just say that the raw material that makes up the important parts of who we are, is the same across the board. it just shows up differently sometimes.

 

Awesome post brother. And hrough all those experiences, you gain wisdom. Wisdom is special, it's something that is earned, you can't study for it or read about it in a book, you gotta be there and done that. Believe me, I don't think there is a poster here that appreciates wisdom and values it as much as I do, because I've had a couple rodeos myself and earned it as well. I think that's probably the primary reasin we get along so well on here and why we have the mutual respect for one another as we do. Always a pleasure, brother

 

He was a very solid, tough world level fighter, with a stylistic advantage against Loma.

Loma was still close to winning, although it was a legitimate loss. Salido would always trouble Loma.

 

Agreed. Japanese are always well schooled warriors, willing to put it on the line if needed.

Japanese vs Mexicans are the bouts to see!