I seriously believe that if the Klitschko's were from america and black american, that they would both be worshiped on this forum. The HATE comes from them being white, and non american speaking eastern europeans is the problem. There are alot of nationistic americans here looking to live a success through the HW division rather than their own lives, and that is sad and I feel sorry for them when they make these stupid racist posts. The HW division clearly points to one hero.
Yeah, the whole thread is really about the Klitschko brothers. The parts where I criticize heavyweight history and the division as a whole and David Haye's choice of next opponent were just padding, really I'm sitting here in Dumbsville Tennessee with my Uncle Sam outfit on, crying like Oliver McCall. :| General Forum imbecile.
Except I'm Scottish, white as snow, and have no connection in any way with anything American. You sir, are a moron.
Interesint read :good I disagree slightly about the depth of the heavy division..... i think it has some depth to it... but its that nobody really fights eachother Wlad Vitali Haye Adamek Chagaev Chambers Povetkin Arreola Boytsov Solis i mean, yes.... one can nitpick but is this really the worst division in boxing in terms of depth? personally, i dont think it is.... (and that was without adding guys like valuev and peter in there) what makes this division SUCK and is an embarresment, is that hardly anyone fights one another and everyone is afraid of the champion to the point where they wont even challenge him. But realistically, i dont really think its all that shallow compared to some of the other shallow classes.
Admit it? :huh Why would I need to admit it?? They are by far the best heavyweights in the world right now, by a long way. Who has ever said they weren't?? Also, what relevance does this have to this thread anyway? :think
Stop being racist and nationalistic, Popkins. atsch ...But, seriously, where the **** do these people come from? :-(
man you showing the same homo love you show to Calzaghe but now to Wlad. I agree Wlad would probably beat Joe Frazier, but who has Wlad faced that had quicker speed (hand and foot) than Muhammad Ali? Wladimir best wins Byrd, Peter, Chageav aint on the level of opposition beaten by Ali, Holyfield and Lennox. The current HW division is weaker than it used to be. So being in the top 10 ring ranking in this era dont mean it is better than being in the top 10 ring rankings in the previous eras. Current (ESB) Heavyweight ESB Champ: Wladimir Klitschko (Beat Ruslan Chagaev June 2009) 1. Vitali Klitschko 2. David Haye 3. Alexander Povetkin 4. Ruslan Chagaev 5. Tomasz Adamek 6. Eddie Chambers 7. Nikolay Valuev 8. Sam Peter 9. Tony Thompson 10. Olandier Solis Olandier Solis is in the top 10 with 16 fights. Now compare this to 1986 This content is protected , Champion This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected 1973 This content is protected , Champion This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected point being Wladimir beating the ring #3 today aint as impressive say the ring # 3 in 1986 (Pinklon Thomas) or ring #3 Ken Norton. Not that it is Wladimir's fault the HW division is so ****, but that is why the HW division is disliked since it dont contain the quality it once had.
- The moment the thread pasted, was a ****wit. [/quote] Ali did not have anywhere near the same physical advantages in the majority of his fights that Lewis, Wladimir and Vitali had. It was a more level playing field back then, for 100% certainty. Claim: Validated [/quote] I'm just going to invalidate one of your claims, because it's obvious that the rest of your claims are entirely stupid. Someone seems to forget the dominant HW before Ali was a 5'8, 190lb fighter and that the average height of Ali opponents was 5'10 - 6 inches shorter than Ali. Wlad in his last ten fights has an average fighter size of 6'2, a height advantage of 4 inches. The last "dominant" fighter in his division was either his brother or Lennox Lewis - both approximately the same size as him. The rest of your post? It's just stupid. Other people have pointed it out but honestly, don't review boxing, you don't understand it well enough and you make baseless idiotic claims.
The top 7 guys at heavy right now are Wlad 1 - Vitali 2 - Haye 3 - Povetkin 4 - Adamek 5 - Chagaev 6 - Chambers 7 - Boytsov thats an official list of 8 top heavyweight fighters in order.... that is by no means a **** list.... just because it doesnt stack up to some of that All time great eras throughout all of boxing history doesnt mean its weak eather. i think thats a pretty decent line up of solid fighters.
That's exactly the same way I see it. :thumbsup It's tough for the division to look good if nobody fights each other to show it. When they do, the results have been pretty encouraging- Adamek-Arreola was a really entertaining fight, for example. The contenders need to quit waiting around like vultures for the Klitschko's to fall off before they make their move, taking the easiest fights possible in the meantime. Get some good fights made, and the whole division looks better.
Let's see, the greatest fighters of this era and I give them respect, Fancy that? That Calzaghe and Wladimir get credit from me rather than the idiots you like. Short sighted post, why? Your problem is that an olympic gold medalist who just turned 30, who has been facing fringe contender fights from almost Day 1, has managed to crack the Top 10, despite facing several ex title contenders and dominating them. Yet, Ali himself got himself into the Top 10 within less fights. He fought a legend in Archie Moore in his 15th fight and had a title fight in his 20th fight (when there was only one title belt) Michael Spinks is another fighter who had a title in his 17th fight. So your point is made completely invalid by the history you think will protect you. The same Pinklon Thomas that spent most of his career as a contender retiring on his stool? Who got a title at a very weak time in boxing and then got absolutely beaten senseless against anyone with a pulse afterwards? Tommy Morrison for instance? Even ESB who have different rankings to most and tend not to favour fighters that lose to someone named Klitschko has 4 fighters in the current top ten that Wlad has beaten. The difference between this era and Ali's era? Ali when he had fighters his size, was always in battles because the guy refused to believe he could lose, fought with everything he had and had an iron jaw (something he's now punished for, via parkinsons) You'll not see those wars anymore, except if someone can challenge Vitali. Wlad? Doesn't have the chin and is too dominant to be involved in that type of war.