The Small Reason Why Manny Pacquiao May Beat Floyd Mayweather

Are you serious? The adjustment would be to make them miss and hit them and deter them from throwing as much. You must understand that boxing is more than just throwing punches. For example just watch Mayweather vs Chavez. Chavez averaged 100 punches per round and still got beat. You can only land a 5 punch combo on a target that is there to be hit with them. Manny will not even through a 5 punch combo in that fight bc Floyd will not be in range for him to even do it.

 

Pac will win because floyd won't be able to keep the pace every second of every round...I would give floyd the edge if not for Pac's amazing ability to throw lightning fast hard shots with little or no break over 12 rounds...

If floyd can't back his opponent off with counters, he can't take his breaks...That's his weakness.

 

Not really. Floyd counters with single shot, JMM counters with combinations.

 

The biggest issue as I see it is activity.

If Pac beats Mosley - Then it will be at least October/November til Floyd gets a fight if he signs to fight.

 

Word.

And it's not even going to be about how hard Floyd is hitting Manny so we needn't discuss whether he 'has the power to keep him off him' or any of that. He's going to deter him from throwing shots by out boxing him. Think about it, if you were in there and everytime you threw a shot you got hit yourself eventually your heart would break. Manny is only human, we saw him getting frustrated when he was struggling to catch Cotto when Cotto got on his bike in the later rounds.

 

High Guard.

 

Good read.

 

Mayweather is a celmelion in the ring. He's known for being a safety first boxer who uses the "Philly-Shell". This is true. However he also uses a high guard defense. He is also more agresive than given crddit for. I site his fights with Gatti, De La Hoya and Mosley as examples.
Pacquiao is going to be walking into a counter jab in the early part of the fight and counter stright rights and left hooks as the fight progreses.
Pacquiao's best chance to win is for an early round stoppage. The problem their is that Pacquiao dose not have one punch stopping power at 147. You can site his stoppage of Cotto or how badly he beat up Margarito and Clottey. However he only stopped Cotto and that was in the 12th round. There is a reason that Pacquiao will not agree to random testing. It is not because he's dirty. It is because this is a bad match up for him.

 

Well of course you haven't because in your narrow mind you envision Floyd standing in the middle of the ring throwing no punches, while Manny stands and throws a Mike Jones vs Soto-Karas I type combination, hence in your mind you can't fathom how "good defense" would beat "good offense". If this simple, yet extremely flawed logic were true, do you honestly believe the vast majority of boxing insiders and/or fans would favor PBF to win?

The reason PBF's defense is important is because it sets up his offense in terms of making his opponents miss, over extend themselves, get off balance, get in bad positions, THEN COUNTERING THEM. When working effectively (as it has essentially every fight he's been in), Floyd's defense will open opportunities to counter as mentioned above, which in turn is going to make an opponent hesitate before throwing future punches and overall limits punch output period. He also moves around the ring well and relative to Manny's recent opponents who tend to come straight ahead and are relatively slow on their feet, is going to cause his opponent to move and reset themselves to get in good punching position OR they can throw punches while being off balance or out of position which brings us back to timing and counter punching. Also as fighters get frustrated from having less success than "normal", they are more likely to get sloppy, take more chances, and/or become fatigued due to the extra work. Which in turn opens up opportunities to press more offense.

Lastly, I believe you underestimate Floyd's power, you underestimate his toughness and/or bravado, and I believe you underestimate how good of an offensive fighter he can be when he chooses. It's not as simply as offense versus defense, fighters on this level have far more depth than that and it would be selling either short to try and simplify it to this level. Manny's defense is underrated, Floyd's offense is underrated, and it appears that in some instances the "greatness" of both fighters are being underrated. I say all this to say: "I disagree".

 

What a ****ed up comment. When I watch boxing I don't give a damn what someone's skin color is. And if you think Floyd's the greatest fighter of all time, you really haven't watched much boxing in your life. He's one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time, but no where near one of the greatest boxers.

 

Floyd is a master counter puncher and defense wizard but the difference with pac is that he doesn't fight like everyone else.

Always on the balls of his feet moving forward, back, sideways and around you to keep close distance while throwing combinations. Sure he does catch a right hand sometimes, nobody is perfect, but I believe Floyd will crush under the pressure.

 

Good post newbie :good

The fact is Floyd doesn't like to get hit and all the skills in the world isn't going to prevent that from happening when he faces Pac. He may win, I don't know what the outcome will be, but I'm fairly certain that to win he's going to be forced to fight. Not box, but actually fight, then we'll see what he's made of. This is the main reason I want to see this fight, is to see what happens when Floyd's normal defensive tactics don't work and he has to fight his way to victory.

 

I suppose you could operate under this assumption, but how exactly do you arrive at the conclusion that PBF can't back Manny off with counters? Also how do you know that PBF won't pressure Manny, in my opinion PBF is much better on the inside both offensively and defensively than Manny. I don't know that PBF's "advantage" will come from the outside, I think his greatest advantage is on the inside due to his strength, body control, and ability to tie up and if I can see that, I feel pretty confident that PBF and his team can see that. So I wouldn't just assume that PBF is going to stand on the outside, allow Manny to throw his usual combinations, and attempt to dodge them Matrix style. I wouldn't at all be suprised if Floyd chose to pressure Manny (not AM style) but as he did against Mosley, and by midway through the fight actually be the aggressor. The question then becomes "Can Manny handle PBF's intelligent pressure?"...I would venture to say that many would have dismissed this idea versus SSM as well, but PBF has demonstrated that he possesses the ability to do whatever needs to be done to win.

 

Watch the Genaro Hernandez fight thread going on. Thats a 21 year old Floyd. Theres no boxer that great at that age in the history of this sport. He wasnt too defensive in that fight was he? Yes Patrick is a bit jealous, how the hell would Pac have a chance when JMM arguably beat Pac and Floyd toyed with JMM.

 

you can't compare chavez to Pac, there is a whole world of difference between their styles, speed, angles, power, footwork, combinations and ring generalship. Chavez simply followed Floyd around throwing bunches of punches.