The smoke has cleared (re-rate the welters)

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  1. imp4pdabest

    imp4pdabest Guest

    He's not even considered a welter IMO. He's considered retired to me.
     
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  2. Bslice

    Bslice Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How much do vowels cost ?
     
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  3. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Margo vs. Williams II for the Ring title as well
     
    JabCross727, Aug 9, 2008
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  4. mexican legend

    mexican legend MVP! Full Member

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    If that's in order slap yourself.
     
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  5. mexican legend

    mexican legend MVP! Full Member

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    Margarito
    Cotto
    Williams
    Clottey
    Mosley
    Berto
     
    mexican legend, Aug 10, 2008
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  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    margarito-williams
    cotto
    shane
    clottey
    zab
    berto
    quintana
    cintron
     
    walk with me, Aug 10, 2008
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  7. aj415

    aj415 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ultimately whoever ends up becoming the clear cut #1 at the end of the day needs to fight FMJr.

    Right now I see it as:

    Williams (superficial #1 by virtue of equation)
    Margarito (defeat Cotto, loss Williams)
    Cotto (loss to Margo, beat Quintana/Judah/Shane)
    Clottey (dismantled Judah, looked good against Margo)
    Quintana (credit for Williams win)
    Mosely (looked good against Cotto)
    Collazo
    Berto (untested)
    Zab (needs to go to Jr. ww -- showing up for a WW fight at 143 with an opponent at 157+ is just silly)


    You are falling in the old trap for boxing fans:
    (ie A lost but looked against B, B killed C, D only did miedocre against C therefore A>D. )

    Predicting head to head based soley on this kind of mathematical logic doesn't really make sense. Styles, circumstances, so on and so forth.. matchup uniquely. You know this.

    And in any case, using your own logic:
    Mosely looked good in losing to Cotto.
    Clottey looked good in losing to Margo.
    Margo beat Cotto therefore, Clottey > Mosely.
    :yikes

    Nonetheless I think this is the correct and IMO Mosely lose to Clottey with a late TKO/KO.
     
    aj415, Aug 10, 2008
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  8. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    margarito
    cotto
    williams
    clottey
    ssm
    berto
     
    warrior85, Aug 10, 2008
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  9. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    #1 - The smoke hasn't cleared yet! Too much unfinished business right now.

    #2 - Only true Cotto fans, or those who just despise Williams, for whatever reason, would have Cotto at #2. I can halfway understand (but disagree vehemently with) someone putting Margo at #1, but to put Cotto right up there under him when he clearly could not do something that someone else clearly did do is ridiculousE.
     
    NeckBreaknAiken, Aug 10, 2008
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  10. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Margarito
    Williams
    Cotto
    Clottey
    Mosley
    Berto

    Quintana & Cintron looking in.
    (Former champions)
     
    Hatesrats, Aug 10, 2008
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  11. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    1.Margarito
    2.Cotto
    3.Williams
    4.Clottey
    5.Mosley
    6.Quinatana
    7.Collazo
     
    Imperial1, Aug 10, 2008
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  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    He shouldn't be ranked below Cotto. Many people look at the Quintana fight as an excuse, but williams reedemed himself. That is what rematches are for.
     
    IsaL, Aug 10, 2008
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  13. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Margo
    Cotto
    Williams
    Mosley
    Clottey
    Berto
     
    the_what, Aug 10, 2008
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