The "Smoke '' Vs ''Dr Steel hammer ''?

I relly like Joe but I have to pick Wlad.

 

Sorry let me get this straight, you're comparing Frazier's losses to Foreman and Ali to Wlads ko losses to those juggernauts?
It took the most powerful heavyweight of all time to stop Frazier and Ali never ko'ed Frazier, his corner folded.
Unlike Klitschko who was KTFO by a journeyman....P
P.S. Smokin Joe Frazier has a win over the greatest heavyweight of all time
remind me,,,,whats Wlad's best win?

 

See, that's the issue with how you're engaging with these fantasy match-ups. I just think it's an insincere way of approaching these little hypotheticals. Rather than taking the time to consider how their styles might mesh, you're instead just using this thread as an opportunity to belittle Wladimir Klitschko and to instead praise Joe Frazier for holding better wins. We're all already aware of Wlad's embarrassing losses, we all know his chin was less than sturdy, you're not really adding much to the thread by regurgitating information we already know, respectfully. Wlad isn't someone with an instantly spectacular resume, but he is quite arguably the most dominant HW of all time and he took on all-comers for over a decade. He hid his shoddy chin behind a superb jab, long guard, and clinch game. The question isn't whether Wlad had a bad chin, which is what your first post essentially tells us, but whether the methods he used to hide it would work against Fraizer, whether his offensive arsenal or footwork is varied enough to keep Frazier off him, or even whether Frazier has the chin to withstand Wlad's mule-like punching power. I don't mean to be rude, I just find it to be a cynical way of engaging with these threads.

 

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

The point of my post wasn't to demean Frazier. I greatly admire Joe Frazier, I've even got a t-shirt of the guy. The point was just to highlight that it's a bad way of breaking down hypotheticals. Frazier was like a comet in some ways, he burned bright during his rule over the HW division, yet his shimmering splendour slowly faded into the blackness of the night sky even at the apex of its trajectory as his health declined and he became increasingly inconsistent. He was more of a late 60s fighter than a 70s fighter but this unfortunately means his resume lacks depth even if it does have perhaps the greatest feat in HW boxing.

 

I did agree with the general theme of your post.

 

Wlad wins without too many issues Frazier too small to do much and Wlad is way too big and powerful to let Frazier on the inside

 

Oh thank goodness, it's Joe - thought you were feeding poor Derrick Gainer to Wlad.

 

I love when people trot Ernie Terrell out but guys like Barney Ross are covered in cobwebs.

 

* Looks up Barney Ross *

OH YEAH!

Him.

The 1815 mining camp champion.

Of course.