The stoppage in Chavez-Taylor 1

Proper stoppage...

I'm not that sure Chavez was being 'outboxed'... he was definitely being out-pointed. Taylor (a great fighter BTW) put up a blizzard of punches and then moved on, showed an angle. Later on in the fight Chavez just punched through that blizzard and was breaking taylor in half for the last 4 rounds. That's a great piece of fighting however you look at it.

Chavez fought everyone. He wanted Whittaker earlier at 135. It would have been a better fight at that point. Chavez was not as good above 135 and was not the fighter he had been. He is definitely one of the elite 1980s fighters.

 

I agree that he was a great fighter, no doubt about that. His performance against Rosario is one I often watch, I love it. But if you are talking 80s/90s fighters, I don't believe JCC merits a place amongst the superpowers Whitaker, Hagler, Leonard etc. I'd put him more on the level of the merely excellent like McCallum, Mayweather, Sanchez.

 

Taylor was looking at his corner, if he'd have answered to Steele that he could go on I think Steele would have let him bearing in mind that it was so close to the finish. No question over the legitimacy of it in my opinion.

Also, in contrast to El Cepillo I think this fight illustrated how difficult it is to soundly beat Chavez. I mean most say he was soundly outboxed for 11 1/2 rounds and yet Taylors face was a mess...he pissed blood after...and was never the same fighter again. To me this showed that even when you though you were doing everything right against Chavez he was wearing you down bit by bit and was having an effect.

 

The stoppage was correct, unfortunately the timing was **** poor. Im sure if Steele was aware of the time he wouldnt have, and really the only criticism I would have is that he somehow could have or should have known the amount of time left by looking up at the clock when Chavez dropped Taylor.

 

100% correct, whats time got to do with it? just because the 10 second flasher's going, so what, hw unfair is that on Chavez if steele took into account the fight was nearly up & said fight on. Taylor was not in a position to defend himself, period, he was out on his feet, just imagine if another 30 seconds were left:scaredas: you could have seen a ring fatality & Steele would have been castigated for not stopping it earlier & gob-shite Lou Duva would have as usual been screaming the house down about steele not protecting a stricken fighter.

Taylor was unlucky but also lucky, he was a beaten man at that moment & the blame for me lies entirely with LOU DUVA who told taylor to go out & win the last round & then distracts him during the count by jumping up onto the ring apron, guess what DUVA denies he ever told Taylor to go out & win the last round, but lets all hail JCC as he showed what it took to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat:deal

The squealing was all about boxing politics as everyone wanted Don Kings boy to loose, simple as:smoke

 

If your saying Sanchez was a lower tier Champion... Then I know your full of Crap!

 

Completely true about Lou Duva. He denies saying that yet you can clearly hear him say it before he sends him out for the 11th. And by jumping up on the apron like a fool he basically messed up Taylor's chances of being a legitimate superstar.


Not only was the stoppage correct but it was one of the best stoppages I've seen. Steele gave him every chance and in the end he did the compassionate thing

 

i dont think it was a fair stoppage to be honest with you....he was hurt yes but it wasnt like he barely made it to his feet at the count of nine, he popped right back up and fought hard enough to be given some time to regain his wits and therefore go on to win. not a good stoppage

 

Yeah, he did. But he still gets Boooed to this day, when he is introduced... Go Figure...

 

It was fair because as you said, he was ****ed & was another punch or 2 from taking a 10 count (or maybe more TBH judging by his condition afterwards)

It would have been more of a tragedy if Chavez endured all that punishment only to have victory snatched from his grasp by, lets face it, a stopwatch... the REAL winner would have been the loser in that case.

Thats my view.

 

100% Correct.

 

If you fail to understand this post the way you failed to understand my last one... then I know you're a bona fide ******!

Clearly I said nothing like Sanchez was a lower tier champion. I said he was excellent, and merited a place alongside some other really great fighters.

I do think he was a level below the likes of Leonard and Whitaker when it comes to ability though. Sanchez is an ATG, but IMO guys like Leonard, Hagler and Whitaker are elite ATGs.

 

Taylor didn't verbally respond so I don't argue too much about it. Of course if you want to argue about it, you can bring up the fact that Steele let Hearns go on against Barkley while being on shakier legs than Taylor had (although Hearns did verbally respond I believe).

Taylor's corner didn't do him any favors by telling him to be aggressive and fight it out in the 12th, neither did Duva by getting on the ring apron and apparently distracting Taylor.

And Taylor's team didn't do him any good a couple years later after Taylor's struggle in a title defense against Glenwood Brown, by matching him up with Terry Norris.

Win or lose, I doubt Taylor's career would be that much different anyway. He wouldn't have spent that much time at the top unless he was carefully matched. Weight problems at 140, too much talent at 147, and taking too much punishment in general.

 

Full of Crap was a tad harsh. But Come on. Sanchez Stopped Three ATG's in thier prime's. Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson & Danny Lopez(Twice)! Plus had more than 10 Title Defenses. All by age 23. If that's not elite status...

 

Very true & Chavez was more past prime than Whitaker when they fought, Id say they are level in terms of greatness.

In his entire unbeaten streak (87-0 before drawing/losing to Pea) he was only taken to the limit twice, by 2 of the greatest boxers of their time & he beat one of those guys (Taylor)

Remarkable consistency, fantastic record & his name is commonly mentioned in TWO SEPARATE weight classes when discussing the best ever in those classes - 130 & 140 lbs - & to think his absolute peak was in between those classes, 135 lbs tho he never stayed there for long.

They used to compare him to Robinson in terms of greatness just before the Whitaker fight, now because he has showed he is human after all, you have ****s saying he was never that good ... get the **** outta here with that bull****, my memory aint that short... Chavez was EASILY & without dispute one of the best ever, a true legend.

Thats all folks :thumbsup