The Subject of Heavyweight s Compared To Past Eras?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What are some posters opinions on this now.? Regarding th smaller heavyweight s from years ago, being able to beat or even just compete with today's guys?

    We have a man like Tyson Fury who has twice smashed down Wilder, who was hardly a shrimp himself.
    How do you feel about heavyweight s from 50 plus years ago, actually mixing with today's group?
    Usyk did prove of course that a good smaller man can beat a bigger one.


    Anyone maybe changed opinion s on this in recent years?
     
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  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    I think Usyk proved a lot, AJ was the poster boy superior Athlete SHW nonsense. Usyk past his best didn’t beat him for any other reason then just being a better boxer nothing sticks out about him. The reason we don’t see guys in the mix is because LHWs or what not coming up need to weigh a minimum of 201lbs to be in the mix. Archie Moore would literally clown the likes of AJ and Wilder.
     
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  3. Fergy

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    It's certainly made me think I little, about smaller guys fighting and actually winning, against heavyweight.
    Some have said, Joe Frazier for example would be too small for today's men. I'm not so sure that he couldn't be very successful now.
     
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  4. FastLeft

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    the last man who knock down Fury before Wilder
    is Cunningham 210 pound with not much on the KO % in ' cruiser weight contests . light puncher

    Wilder skinny in first Fury match 212 pound
    & 6'6
    like Ernie Terrell built . still also only 214 in first Louis Ortiz match & brutal KO. this is normal weight of heavyweights for many eras & decades

    this is not proof of any much thing
    . but makes it clear is not all about the weight
    . because Whyte & old Wlad solid 250 pound regularly & did nothing with against Fury. Whyte fold from one punch like crack egg shell fragile

    so might be lighter boxer can give problems more to Fury. this is happens all time across the light heavy & cruiser & heavy class weights
     
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  5. Journeyman92

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    It's foolish, you hear it all the time "Weight classes exist for a reason" and yet time and time again it is proven to be true but yet not absolute by exceptional men and that is what the likes of Marciano, Moore, Charles etc were. They were expectational men.
     
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  6. FastLeft

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    Usyk quite big. 220 & 6'3 height
    he is big as Ali Holmes Norton type
    I never belief he is small
    this is hype
    he is not dwarf next standing to Joshua
    he is normal heavyweight size
    discipline normal heavyweight can make 200 pound with weigh in day before the matches. not too problems
     
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    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    imagine 210 Muhammad Ali with against these currently boxers!
    yes Usyk & Fury might can be problem match because they is good skills boxers with brain for the boxing
    still Ali wins

    the rest. Joe Joyce & Joe Parker & Deontay Wilder & Andy Ruiz & Anthony Joshua . Haha now no seriously Lol
    this is mismatch bums of months with Muhammad Ali
    or not even should mention Dillians Whyte. probable he is not even worthy sparring partner of George Chuvalo or Henry Coopers . ! !
     
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  8. Fergy

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    I v actually learnt that from my time on here.
    It does educate.
     
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    Ali would play around with AJ!
     
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    Interesting that Fury still thinks of Cunningham as his toughest opponent. Cunningham is a big lad but I think he was less than 210 for that fight.

    Still, I think it's cooled a good bit on the forum now. Apart from one or two lunatics, it's gone in that size is an advantage. And pointed the other way, I think it's gone in that it's only a given advantage, and could be overcome.

    In the end, it's far more fun for me to think about Marciano breaking backs at 168lbs and Frazier shattering LHWs, literally knocking out the best LHWs in history in six or seven rounds, than it is thinking about them getting shelled by Lennox Lewis.
     
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  11. FastLeft

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    Frazier loved take down bigger man heavy
    this his best style. weave inside smash chop them downs

    waste of time to puts him in light heavy matches
     
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    It wouldn't be a waste of his time. Watching him toy with Bob Foster is crazy. GOAT material at 175.
     
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    he was great heavyweight. most prefer watch him with Ali . but this is new opinion & interesting
     
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    Frazier would lose at the weigh in !
    in real light heavy match !
    lol
     
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  15. Journeyman92

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    Frazier could make 175lbs he wouldn't be fighting other 175lbers like say Foster at the highest level he'd be scrapping with guys his own size...