The Sugar's Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard & Shane Mosley

They're all on the tall side for the weightclasses that they began their careers in yes. But they all moved up at some point. In any case, I agree that they were all phenomenal boxers with a broad skill set who could boxer or punch although Mosley like mixing it up a little more than the other two.

 

Interesting viewpoint. Where do you think Robinson lacked in fundamentals comapred to Leonard?

 

I'd more than anything have Robinson as someone who set the modern mould. Well, maybe he broke the old one and set the new one.

To me he's more fundamentally sound than Burley, Moore and Walcott. He had the works.

His jab doesn't look all that fantastic at MW, but at WW it's another story.

 

I just think it's more a case of Leonard being one of the most complete Boxer-Puncher's ever rather than a weakness of Robinson.

Exactly how I see it, he innovated the modern fundamentals.

 

And I thought we had the beginning of a discussion there. My man.

By the way, you're an excellent poster. The new prodigy now that Sweet Pea is leaving his teens (and this board?).

 

Recently I had a discussion with someone who thought Robinson's jab was horrible and that he was little more than a puncher with below average defense. The same person also thought that Ray Leonard was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Obviously I disagreed but it was interesting that someone would think this.

 

He's still here.

 

It is. But then some think the earth is flat.

As I said, at MW Robinson's jab doesn't look all conquering IMO, even if it clearly does the job, but at WW it's another story.

Leonard's jab was also sharper at WW. I think too many judge Leonard's punching on the Hagler fight. He sure wasn't "shoe-shining" in his prime.

 

But not making himself as frequently known. But he'll back, I'm sure.

 

Why thank you.

Ray Leonard is quite underrated IMO, but he honestly is one of the most rounded fighters I have seen and I thank Sweet Pea for making me realise it.

Robinson had an effective jab, it wasnt awesome but it did the job. But SRR wasnt the regular boxer he was an offensive machine. He was 10x better when he was letting his hands go with his dazzling combinations. But when he needed a rest he would get up on that bike and 'box', and people regard him as a great 'boxer' but he really was an offensive machine, shows how good he was that his secondary function is hailed as brilliant.

 

That's what I tried to say to him and even pointed out to Leonard's Ayub Kalule performance.

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Aggression takes away from your defense. Also most of the footage on Robinson is him into his 30's. No one (outside of redrooster) brings up Leonard's fights against Lalonde, Hearns (the second time), Norris as proof that he was easy to hit.

 

Sorry, I'm missing the point what does the Kalule footage prove? I think it might be that, that was one of Leonards most aggresive performances but his defence wasnt at his best. Actually its one of my favrouite Leonard perforamnces.

 

I should have explained it better.

Basically I had an argument with someone who didn't rate Robinson as highly as Leonard because he thought Robinson was defensively poor and had a horrible jab. However when Robinson was being defensive he was more difficult to hit than when he was being offensive, Joey Maxim went onto say that he could not land a glove on Robinson for 13 rounds. When Leonard got more aggressive, his defense wasn't all that great either as seen against Kalule in an otherwise impressive performance.

 

Yeh exactly, the Maxim fight is impressive in showing Robinson's boxing skills but his best performance is the late rounds of the 6th Lamotta fight where he piles on the pressure and combos

 

the Kalule performance was probably Leonard's most Robinson-like effort.And maybe Ranzany.It was a good tactical choice, fighting a slower paced tactical fight would have made things tougher.