The Sugar's Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard & Shane Mosley

This really shows that Leonard's natural state was as a boxer-puncher who liked to mix it up, even at LMW. Only the fight against Hagler (one of the toughest MWs ever) and the rematch against Duran would make you think otherwise. But that was him going against his instincts.

 

Agreed.

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People don't still think Leonard was an outboxer by design/nature do they? Come on, we've cleared this one up to the point where it doesn't exist even as a myth anymore.

 

Leonard was a bone fide Boxer-puncher. Sure he had movement and slick skills but it all boils down to a boxer-puncher style and general mentality.

 

He would box at times and use movement, always to set up offense though, and to create openings etc. He'd use his great jab centre ring, he'd befuddle opponents and unload. If he had you backing up or by contrast, coming right onto him, he'd punish you (most of the time). I agree with what you're calling him, just thought i'd break down how i see him fighting. People have acted as though he was a defensive wizard, it's madness.

On this thread topic, Robinson>Leonard imo, one of the big reasons is that Robinson was better/more consistent at throwing accurate combos of devastating shots before anything had even developed in the bout. If he was in that mode, he could be standing off a guy then just land a combo of head and body shots, all that hurt. More often than not, Leonard would let something develop first, by jabbing etc.

 

Not really, he was just a level below Robinson & Leonard. No shame in that, still an elite fighter at his best who achieved an awful lot.

 

That's it. Anyone is going to seem as though they are getting stick in comparison to those two.

 

One thing I dont get is that Robinson is mostly hailed as a brilliant 'boxer', I dont see it I think he is definitly more offensive fighter. But saying that alot of the guys who claim that have seen him through his career and all that.

Leonard is the same.

 

Spit that mad game yo!

 

Robinson is the best offense man of all time in my opinion. Big claim when you think of Duran, and others you might have a personal preference for, but the calculation of the attacks of Robinson might just edge it for me. It's beyond superlatives. But make no mistake, the man could box, the way he does so against LaMotta, and with power shots, at times teeing off on the back foot with right uppercuts, it's just insane to comprehend. He apparently ourboxed Kid Gavilan and we've seen him do it to the likes of Bobo Olson who is a world class middleweight.

 

I knew it was coming,

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Definitly.

Bets offensive fighter and a great boxer.