The Super 6; Americans making a good account of themselves

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Coming into this tournament, it seemed as though The Americans were thoroughly overmatched. The Euros in the tournament were all battle tested, world champions. Two of them were also knocking on the p4p top 10. The Americans had a faded former champ and two talented, but untested fighters with less than 20 fights a piece. Logic would indicate that the Euros would walk through their American counterparts. The scoreboard may read 2-2, but the Americans have clearly dominated the tournament.

    The only legit win that the Euros have was Abraham knocking out a faded Taylor who had to drop out of the tournament afterwards. Andre Dirrell went to Froch's hometown and fought an ugly, but determined fight. There was a lot of holding and fouling. However, Dirrell was clearly landing pretty much all of the clean punches, he hurt the supposed iron chinned Froch on a couple of occasions and came on strong in the championship rounds. Froch received the decision, but many thought Dirrell pulled it out. Andre Ward completely outclassed Mikkel Kessler. He won pretty much every round before the fight was stopped in the 11th due to a cut caused by an accidental headbutt.

    Last night again showed a supposedly inferior American fighter dominating one of Europes best fighters. Dirrell controlled pretty much the entire fight. He fought beautifully. He showed the world that just because your opponent is utilizing a turtle shell defense and it isn't throwing much doesn't mean you can't still bust him up. This is something the supposed p4p no.1 fighter and allegedly one of the greatest fighters of all time, Manny Pacquiao, couldn't do against a guy who is a class or two below Abraham. Dirrell was working the body and going right back up stairs and was throwing looping hooks that were landing around Abraham's guard. Dirrell's straight rights and lefts were also piercing Abraham's guard. By the 11th round, Abraham was cut, swollen, and well behind on the cards. Abraham grew desparate. Dirrell slipped, and fell to the canvas. Abraham looked at him, and then unleashed a vicious right hook that landed flush on the jaw of a defenselss Dirrell. Dirrell was out cold and Abraham was rightfully DQ'd.

    The post fight was equally dissapointing for Abraham. Abraham, who is supposed to be so classy, acted like a straight up punk. He actually had the nerve to say Dirrell wasn't a good boxer and was a good actor. How could you say that about a guy who kicked your ass all over the ring the entire night? And unless Dirrell is a classically trained actor, no way was he faking it. I hope Dirrell is ok. I hope Abraham comes back with a cool head and apologizes for his classless actions.
     
  2. Stezzie

    Stezzie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tough call...whatever. Froch was outboxed by Taylor before the knockout and everone saw the Froch -Dirrel fight. Ward will walk through Froch...Like he did Kessler. I dont even think Froch will get passed Kessler.
     
  3. SoxNation

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    I picked Ward to win the tournament before it started. With the exception of Froch, I didn't think Dirrell was ready for these guys and he proved me wrong. Dirrell has a great chance to win this thing. Taylor was done and shouldn't have even been in the tournament.
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I always thought the winner of the tournament would be either Kessler or Ward.

    I thought Taylor might still have enough left to beat Abraham.

    Dirrell did as expected pretty much.

    Ward did better than I expected by beating Kessler so clearly. I knew he had it in him but he's matured faster than I thought he would.

    I don't expect too much out of Allan Green




    Your Pacquiao comparison is hilarious. Pacquiao was about 100 times more dominant against Clottey than Dirrell was against Abraham. He didn't get decked like Dirrell either. Also, last I checked Dirrell wasn't fighting a much larger opponent like Pacquiao was. If anything, Dirrell was the bigger man. I don't get why you like to discredit Pacquiao so much but its really rediculous. If anything Pacquiao could teach a thing or two to Dirrell about fighting a guy in the turtle shell.
     
  5. PH|LLA

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    The Europeans are also making a good account of themselves. Alot of people thought Dirrell would dominate Froch but Froch ended up outfighting him to a hard-earned decision. Kessler showed alot of heart fighting through a headbutt and a hometown ref despite being overmatched that night. Abraham never quit despite being down on the cards and looked like he was starting to wilt Dirrell with his pressure before that unfortunate DQ. All in all the tournament had been very good for both USA and Europe.

    Its just unfortunate that there's only been 1 fight with no controversy, Abraham vs Taylor.
     
  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    :patsch You got to be ****ing kidding me. Pacquiao won on activity. He was only landing at about a 20% clip. Homeboy was hitting foremarms all day. Dirrell was actually busting Abraham up. Abraham's face was swollen and cut, and Abraham was decked twice. Let's also not forget that Abraham is a much better fighter than Clottey and that Pacquiao is considered by many to be one of the best fighters of all time, while Dirrell is barely in the top 10 of his own division. Pacquiao isn't teaching Dirrell **** about fighting a guy in the turtle shell unless he wants to teach Dirrell how to hit forearms instead of the guys face.
     
  7. BigReg

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    The Euros have fought hard, but they are also the overwhelming favorites. All of those guys have been heavy favorites in their fights against The Americans. Despite this, they have suffered two ass whoopins and Froch received a debateable decision. You can talk about Ward's headbutts all you want but Froch was the one body slamming Dirrell and hitting him in the back of the head. Abraham is the one hitting guys when they are clearly down after he's gotten his ass kicked for 10 rounds and then decides to taunt his conqueror after the fight.
     
  8. PH|LLA

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    Maybe you couldn't tell Clottey's forearms from his body. Pacquiao has a high output and all of a sudden in the land of slick boxers rule the world that is a bad thing. Like you said Pacquiao is one of the best fighters of all time and it showed in the way he dominated Clottey from the opening bell till the last round. Dirrell could definately learn a thing or two from him and it might help him avoid getting decked and dominated like he did in the 10th.
     
  9. BigReg

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    If Dirrell was fighting a B class guy like Clottey who wasn't even interested in competing instead of a truly elite, A class fighter like Abraham who actually has power and tried to win, Dirrell would've won by shutout as well. Hell, Dirrell only lost about 1 or 2 rounds in this fight anyway.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    Dirrell only won 7 rounds in a 12 round fight that ended too early and from the look of the 10th round seemed like he was losing momentum and on his way to pulling an Oscar de la Hoya in the last 2 rounds. Pacquiao never even came close to that. The performances are not comparable. Dirrell couldn't carry Pacquiao's spit bucket.

    There's no reason to bring Pac up in this thread anyways. It just shows how you will try to use every little opportunity you can to discredit him.
     
  11. Jack

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    So far, only one American has put on a respectful performance. Dirrell put on one of the worst performances I've ever seen against Froch, Ward wasfar too eager with his head and last night, Dirrell exaggerated the knockout. Aside from that, when Abraham threw punches, it was the usual disgraceful running from him, so I can't praise him too much.

    Taylor fought with honour and pride. A real champion.
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You're out of your mind. Abraham won the 10th and maybe one other round. He was losing the 11th before he blatantly fouled Dirrell. Homeboy was getting his ass handed to him. Dirrell can't hold Pac's spit bucket? Dirrell has only had 20 fights and has numerous technical flaws. Even still, Manny has never fought anyone like Dirrell and may never do so.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You've completely lost it. Then again, you say crazy **** all the time.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    Pacquiao has beaten fighters who are much better than Dirrell will ever be, 20, 30, 40, or 50 fights, doesn't matter. That's no disrespect to Dirrell but its truth.

    I expected Dirrell to win a decision yesterday. He ended up winning by DQ but he seemed on his way to a 7-5, maybe 8-4 decision. So good for him, he did as expected.

    Let's not take things overboard though.

    then again I understand that you're proud of the way aamericans have been performing so far and I think its all good for people to cheer for their own :good
     
  15. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This has turned into a nightmare for sauerland and the European champs, and I like it. They were probably envisioning easy wins against two inexperienced fighters, and one struggling. They seriously underestimated the Americans and the tremendous boxing skills that they posses. I'm proud of Dirrell, Ward, and Taylor. The Europenas are confused and scrambling now.