Ive been reading how alot of people say on here the winner of the super 6 is going to possibly have the best SMW resume, in the division history. This goes to show how when a fighter or fighters are in the public eye, and advertised, when they win or lose it becomes a bigger win or loss than normal. ie IF A Ward in the Super 6 beats A Green it would go down as a big win opponent for Ward but if Bute whos not in the super 6 beats Steiglitz it probably wouldnt be taken as such a big deal, due to the fact that Steiglitz isnt as well known. But Steiglitz resume is arguably more impressive than Greens with Steiglitz holding wins over Berrio, undefeated Gutknecht & undefeated Balzay. Say Ward wins the Super 6 and has wins over all the other 5 fighters he will get alot of deserved credit but how great would it be? All the fighters he will have met will be once beaten fighters rather than undefeated. The point im making is after this tournament would any of them have a better resume than Eubank - with wins over Watson, L Holmes, Malinga, Benn (draw), Rocchigiani and Wharton Benn - Malinga, Eubank (draw), Galvano, Wharton, Mauro, Nardiello & McClellan. Calzaghe - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Brewer, Veit, Kessler, Lacy, Bika Ottke - Mundine, G Johnson, Brewer, Reid, Mitchell, Markussen, Larson etc etc Froch - beaten by Kessler beaten by Calzaghe AA beaten by Dirrell Dirrell beaten by Froch Green beaten by Miranda What you think?
I like what they're trying to do, but I don't think any of them are particularly special fighters; no better than a guy like Malinga, really. Certainly not in the class of a peak Eubank, Benn, or Calzaghe, in my opinion.
Thats kinda how I see it. Someone in there may turn out to be special, but at the moment you have Dirrell whos only beaten a small former MW champ by DQ, AA who has no big name wins except Taylor who was coming off a KO loss, Green who has no big name wins, Ward with just Kessler as a big name win. Kessler and Froch have done the most as SMWs. But like you I also like what they are trying to do
Regardless of where they sit vis-a-vis other SMWs, past and present, I lioke the fact that they're fighting each other and providing entertainment and controversy. I'd like to see more of these tournaments, or something similar, that will keep top boxers fighting each other. The tournament has provided a lot of good action and surprises so far. Hope this continues.
I remember last year, before the S6 started and the favorites to win were all from Europe. A thread was made asking "Once Ward, Dirrell and Taylor are beaten will the Americans lose interest?" Now that the opposite is reality, it seems you all are losing interest. Its comical how quickly some of you have jumped ship now that they've been dominated by 2 kids, prospects fighting prospects just 1 fight prior. Kings of the division to "nothing special" in just a few months. All to avoid giving due props. Pathetic. To answer you, bailey. If Ward gets through this undefeated, his resume will have far surpassed any of those smw's you listed. And if we continue to act like Jones and Toney dont exist, then sure, the very best resume.
The competition is for fans not nations. What I said is due to TV alot of these wins get more credit, which isnt a bad thing, it just sometimes hides the facts. An American did leave the tournament after being KOd What opposite? Ward had a good win over Kessler. Dirrell got beat by Froch, but had a DQ win over AA. I dont think anyones lost interest, its a great tournament, bringing fighters together. Been dominated. Dirrell got beat, and Wards won one fight. What I have said is that although Ward may get some good wins, it wont be over any undefeated fighters. Calzaghe showed the way against Kessler. Froch has been given all kinds of critism on here, and not been rated as anything other than lucky by alot of people on here. AAs big name win is against who? Who was his great MW win? Green has no big name resume as pointed out when comparing him with Steiglitz. Kessler is a good fighter, who has come back and won his old title back. It was a good win for Ward, what im saying is that may become his career highlight win. Read above props are given. What ive said is Kessler is a good win which might be Wards SMW career highlight win. [/quote] If Ward gets through the super 6 undefeated, it will be a good accomplishment, but how do you think his resume will have surpassed any of the fighters I listed? Take Calzaghes resume because Kessler is in it. Kessler the big name win of the tournament - beaten by Calzaghe when undefeated. Froch beaten by Kessler - beaten by Calzaghe Dirrell beaten by Froch AA beaten by Dirrell and with no SMW pedigree or even big MW title wins Green beaten by Miranda. How many of those names sound bigger than undefeated Kessler, undefeated Lacy, Reid, Brewer, Bika, Mitchell, Woodhall. Even Veit is a more accomplished fighter than say Dirrell or Green, but just isnt as known (the point of the thread) Jones and Toney arent forgotten its just they werent in the division for a long time. But please remind me of their top SMW resumes
So for some you post who they beat... and for the SS fighters you post who beat them... Could you be more obvious in your bias?
Its not meant to be biased. I was pointing to how if a fighter is in the public eye, they tend to get more known thus making any victory or loss for them seem like a big deal or gives them credibility whether deserved or not. I guess from your message you didnt understand, hopefully this helps to explain it for you. The part about if Ward beats Green and if Bute beats Steiglitz is just an example as one of those fights will be more advertised giving it bigger credit
Eubank had a long reign - but he had hard times against ordinary fighters like Roy Close. Benn was a banger - who ran into punches - Abraham would´ve knocked him out. Jones and Toney in their prime are the best the divison has ever - a class above the SuperSix competitors.
I agree Eubank did struggle with some ordinary fighters, but he did also fight regular and that sort of thing happens ie Robinson losing to Turpin kind of scenario. But Eubank did have some good wins also. Jones and Toney were good fighters in the division, but its not about potential more what they have achieved in the division. I would say Toneys SMW resume would surpass the super 6 winners resume, if they retire after the super 6, but who knows the super 6 winner may go on to get alot more good SMW wins. If Bute is still undefeated at the end of the tournament and the winner goes on to beat him....... maybe
I think a fighter being "undefeated" is possibly the most overrated thing in boxing. Of course it is an accomplishment, especially for older fighters with a body of work, but when a fighter consistently mixes it up with the best, losses often occur. I have more respect for guys who put it on the line vs the best than guys who consider the risk a fight poses to their undefeated record. Others might disagree. And simply because a guy was undefeated when he fought someone does not make him a better fighter because of it. As for the super 6 guys, in my eyes, all 3 guys who lost their "0" have suffered minimal damage in terms of their resume. In fact, Dirrell's stock went up after losing to Froch, simply because his talent was apparent and it was obvious it was his gameplan and inexperience that lost him that fight. Froch's stock actually went down in many eyes after his win vs Dirrell, but not all that much after losing to Kessler in a grueling battle. AA's did go down IMO, but not to the point where he is considered to be a lesser fighter because of it. He ran into a bigger, faster, more mobile fighter who outboxed him until the DQ. I'd also like to say that the winner of the super 6 will have a very solid resume by the time it is done, and guys like Ward and Dirrell will likely have a lot of boxing ahead of them still and could indeed forge a resume that could go down as being the best in the SMW history. But I don't think you could say that based only on the S6 tourney.
