The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

I feel bad for any man who is a groupie of another man

 

You hit the nail on the head, IMO. You can't say, "Kessler was EXPOSED by Calzaghe and Ward, so therefore he's not as great as we thought." Instead, it goes more like this: "Kessler fought a tough, competitive fight against Joe Calzaghe. He looked good throughout the fight, even stunning Calzaghe a couple of times, and Calzaghe is an incredibly accomplished super middleweight. The fight didn't show that Kessler was bad, but that Calzaghe was that good."

You see the difference? That would be like saying Lennox Lewis was no good because he got KO'd by Hasim Rahman, without taking into account the fact that he came back and KO'd Hasim to regain his title and beat some of the greatest heavyweights he had to choose from during his era. A loss doesn't make someone a bad fighter - these guys are WILLING to fight each other, despite knowing how good the other fighters are, and therefore willing to risk taking a loss. I think the Super Middleweight division is very strong right now, or at least one of the most intriguing divisions in boxing at the moment.

 

It's OK you can stop anytime now...

 

You act like Joe just dominated everyone ..He had a close fight with Kessler so all this left over crap is irrelavant !

And Beyer are you kidding Froch spanks that ass !And Ottke would get schooled by any of them that cat had no power !

Your really reaching with him..And you ever heard of styles make fights ..Didn't Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins who schooled Pavlik who lost to Taylor ? You sure you wanna go there ??

And what happened in the Bute Andrade rematch let me know then get back to me !

 

After watching Sven Ottke dominate the greatest champions boxing has ever witnessed its impossible to disagree with Bailey.

 

I brought up Allan Green to illustrate a point. And that is, everyone looks like a world-beater when fighting stiffs. You can only know how good someone really is after he's been truly tested.
Librado Andrade was 24-0 before meeting Kessler.
Vitaly Tsypko, Robert Stieglitz, Denis Inkin, Karoly Balzsay, Jeff Lacy, etc. Many guys can build resumes that are as impressive as Dirrell's or more so. But when they step up, they get sparked. What makes you so sure that wouldn't happen to your current favourites?

 

His reasoning is quite simple minded and talent is irrelevant or minor at best in his world. If we continue applying his distorted logic then we must say that :

Ward, Bute, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham & Froch would all lose if they face :

" Robin Reid - Jeff Lacy - Markus Beyer - Charles Brewer - Richie Woodhall - Glenn Catley - Dingaan Thobela - Manny Siaca - Thomas Tate, etc. "

 

Bute beat Bika more impressively than Calzaghe, and Bute was at his first fight against a world class opponent. And you have an odd conception of what a leftover is. Because you lost a fight doesn't make you a leftover. If it was the case, why would there be rematches, since the loser of the first fight would've become a leftover?

exemple of a poor argument: "so I couldnt see Froch beating Beyer, who would be careful of Frochs power and clearly out box him"

1- Beyer got his title against Lucas. If you ever watched the fight, you know it was a robbery (and a big one), which means that Eric Lucas, who wasn't a skilled guy at all, outboxed Beyer.

2- Your argument is just an opinion. "I think Beyer would outbox Froch". That doesn't mean anything. I could argue "I think Froch KTFO Beyer".

The simple fact that you try to "prove" that one era was better than the other is laughable, especially since you compare one era's whole career to the current era, whose career isn,t over. Of course, a guy with 40-50 fights is more likely to have a better resume than a 27 year old guy with 22 fights. Wait 10 years, then compare them on their whole career.

 

Wow really am I going to argue with an uneducated groupie for real ? Be your own man :good

 

ward will be better than calzaghe when it is all said and done. time will tell that story very well. ward is still young and hungry

 

That's why you should not compare a previous era to the current one now. Wait until their career is over, then the comparison will be fair. Until then, it's just speculation, in which case you should not only look at the resume, but also the talent and potential, because their career isn't over.

 

Honest question...what is it exactly that you don't understand ? What is it ?

Kessler was always a greater talent than Andrade, therefore it was a natural for him to beat him.

You're getting mixed up in your logic !

Why do I say that today's crop is better than any other in the last 10 years ? Because they bring OVERALL more talent to the table !!! Not because of their fight records...

UNDERSTAND ???????????? atsch

I repeat again....but I'm now getting tired of doing so if you don't make the effort to capish.....

Anyone can lose, it's part of life but the odds normally favor the fighter that brings more to the table and talent is a big reason for it...not a fight record...not if you already won a belt or not.... Understand ???????

Therefore Dirrell, Ward, Bute, Abraham, Kessler, etc. could lose but they'd be favored to win in many people's minds if we'd match them with most of the old crop of fighters in the last 10 years...

 

Or, he gets KOed by Bika. :hey