The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

Strangely you have Pwned yourself as Catley, Siaca, Beyer, Thobela have all been SMW world champs, what has Dirrell done other than win a fight by DQ over a former MW with no big name wins and limited SMW pedigree, and Beyer has a better overall SMW resume than Ward .
Its irrefutable, you Pwned yourself :nut.

 

You havent read the rest of it, because I said leave Calzaghe out of it as it is unfair to include him. Read the facts before commenting

 

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Finally someone who can see through the fake promotion and see the facts for what they really are, that G Johnson who was a SMW journeyman to the SMWs of yesterday, is today a S6 fighter :dead

 

And at CW you have Cunningham and Huck who are world champs atsch, but by your pathetic logic you must view A Harrison as a good match up for Haye as Audley is an olympic gold medallist atsch.
Amateur and Pro are twom different things, so because before the S6 Ward hadnt done anything as a pro, you think he was a legit top SMW before the S6 because he was a gold medallist atsch. Yes I expect you could sell that rubbish to your 1 yr old neice, but not to me.
In which case then R Reid who you discredit was an olympic bronze medallist and so was Woodhall who only lost to Jones Jnr in the games, and Calzaghe was a decorated amateur who beat the olympic representative, Ottke was also a fantastic amateur, but it means nothing in the pros until they have really proven themselves.
Tell you what, leave this thread and debate boxing with your 1 yr old neice, and have a belief in your thick skull when she agrees with you, that you are having a serious boxing debate

 

Just browsing the years and not looking closely, I can see several but 2005, clearly is stronger than today with
1. Calzaghe undefeated world champ
2. Kessler undefeated world champ (undefeated and not suffering double vision)
3. Lacy undefeated world champ (undefeated, and tell me an active American SMW with a better resume)
4. Beyer (3 time WBC champ)
5. Mundine (2 time WBA champ)
6. Danny Green now a world rated CW
7. Siaca (former world champ)
8. Grant (former WBO MW champ)
9. Reid (former world champ, and fighter that looked unlucky against Ottke)
10. Andrade (undefeated at this time and looked unlucky not to KO Bute years later)

I think that clearly proves a point when now in the top 10, you have Andrade still who has been beaten 3 times now, Magee who was put down 3 times and beaten by 2005 #9 Reid, Steiglitz who lost to Andrade, Arthur with limited SMW resume of Miranda and Taylor coming off a KO , Bika who lost to Soliman, Froch who was beaten by #2 of 2005, Dirrell who lost to Froch. Kessler of now who Ward beat and who beat Froch wasnt even well and suffering double vision, and Bute nearly KOd by already beaten 2005 #10.

You really did leave yourself open to that one, but please, you have convinced yourself so carry on in deluded form atsch, but my facts are irrefutable :deal

 

Trying to change the subject when being owned

 

I havent said different, you are trying to twist what was said to give your weak arguement a chance, but failed again, when I didnt let you twist what was wrote

 

Read below

Pasky2000 completely wned by Facts.

Now lets watch him shame himself with a weak answer to the above

 

I was always open to Ottkes decisions and said B mitchell looked unlucky to some and R Reid especially looked unlucky. You have read one quote which was an answer to something else and drawn a different conclussion to what has been said. Please read all the posts if you are going to comment as you are not in the full picture.
Im surprised you think Ottkes decision over Starie debateable because Ottke clearly won that one and also clearly beat G Johnson (which is a hard pill for many to swallow, but correct), Ottke may have had close fights but he was a fair winner in arguably all except Reid when past his best.
Not sure why you are mentioning Mundine, he isnt terrible as a 2 time champ with reasonable names like D Green, and Echoles which is better than say A Green today