The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

atsch Unbelieveable.
The SMW division may be competitve but the talent isnt as deep overall.
Forget Calzaghe, he was a dominant champ and an unfair marker, but realise this
Dirrell hasnt beaten anyone of note and has a lesser SMW than Veit
AA is a former MW who lost to Dirrell with a limited SMW resume
If you look at B Mitchell for example, he has better SMW pedigree than Abraham, Dirrell, Johnson, Green, etc
G Johnson couldnt compete at SMW years ago losing to Ottke and Branco, but now is a competitor. Should tell you everything

 

Fighting leftovers dosent diminish a fighters standing at all, but it dosent give a true indication either, as the losing fighter already has known exposed holes in their game. The example you give of Bika is a good one as until Calzaghe beat him, there wasnt much knowledge of him, but after Joe beat him, you could see that its not wise to brawl and get rough with Bika by watching Calzaghes mistakes, but doing it first and beating these guys first clearly is what gives the real standing.
Calzaghe beat Jimenez in a boring fight years ago, when Jimenez was unknown. When Calzaghe beat him clearly and showed how it was done, B Magee fought Jimenez in his next fight to test his level with a game plan and looked as impressive in doing so. But as anyone knows Magee isnt at Calzaghes level and never will be. Thats what I mean by the real standing

 

That was an unfair comparrison I made there, but was highlighting how shallow the division is in talent, compared to the previous generation. I could have put it that Dirrell isnt as accomplished a SMW as M Veit and of a similar but slightly better level to Gutknecht.
Ward I wrote only had 1 name on his resume against an already beaten fighter who was unwell.
I also wrote all Ward and Bute are doing is feasting on left overs of the past champs

 

atsch Oh no :-(, PEDs cheats dont count.
Just stick to true non cheating athletes :good

 

Complete fail as you miss all the facts like G Johnson couldnt compete at SMW years ago losing to Branco and Ottke, not to mention Sheika and Vanderpool, but is now a S6 fighter :dead.

Its that simple right atsch. Fool

 

When people cant debate the facts, they throw insults without debate, you fall straight into that catagory :-(. Muppet

 

:deal

 

I can use the same post for McManama.
I notice between you, you cant come up with a sensible answer and have been truly schooled

 

Good post :good, and someone who I think understands the thread, and realises its not an attack on any SMW.
SMW is possibly my favourite division and the S6 has provided many great fights. But I think you know what I mean when I note 14 losses Johnson couldnt compete at SMW years ago but is now a SUPER 6 fighter