The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

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  1. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Damn bailey. You either post great threads or you post whatever the opposite of great is. Look, With a tourney pitting the best against the best where you have very multi-dimensional fighters how can u say this?
    While 168 doesn't have the p4p'er like it did in calzaghe it certainly has alot more depth.
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Super 6 does make great fights, no question, but my point was that it was a more talent packed division a few years ago (forget Calzaghe, as thats unfair to include him).
    The pre tournment favourite of the S6 was coming in with a loss to one of the past top men, and Bute and Ward are feasting off of leftovers.
    Please skim over the pages of my replys to get the drift.
    A good example is that Dirrell isnt as accomplished SMW as M Veit, but is just recognised.
    G Johnson couldnt compete at SMW years ago losing to Ottke, Branco, Sheika, Vanderpool etc, but is now a S6 fighter. It would really highlight what ive written if Johnson won
     
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  3. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is the strongest group I've seen at 168 in a while.
     
    Son of Gaul, Nov 7, 2010
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol::patsch. What Stronger than Ottke, Beyer, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, etc :-(.
    If you look at Dirrells SMW resume it is less accomplished than M Veits. Dont be fooled by promotion
     
    bailey, Nov 7, 2010
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  5. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lets compare 168lbs RING ratings from 2000 to today :

    2000
    1- Ottke
    2- Calzaghe
    3- Girard
    4- Brewer
    5- Tate
    6- Hilton Jr.
    7- Thobela
    8- Catley
    9- Mitchell
    10- Butler

    2001
    1- Ottke
    2- Calzaghe
    3- Mitchell
    4- Echols
    5- Brewer
    6- Tate
    7- Lucas
    8- Larsen
    9- Siaca
    10- Beyer

    2002
    1- Calzaghe
    2- Ottke
    3- Echols
    4- Lucas
    5- Mitchell
    6- Brewer
    7- Larsen
    8- Siaca
    9- Mundine
    10- Beyer

    2003
    1- Calzaghe
    2- Ottke
    3- Mundine
    4- Echols
    5- Green
    6- Mitchell
    7- Beyer
    8- Brewer
    9- Larsen
    10- Reid

    2004
    1- Calzaghe
    2- Kessler
    3- Mundine
    4- Echols
    5- Green
    6- Lacy
    7- Larsen
    8- Reid
    9- Beyer
    10- Siaca

    2005
    1- Calzaghe
    2- Kessler
    3- Lacy
    4- Beyer
    5- Mundine
    6- Green
    7- Siaca
    8- Grant
    9- Reid
    10- Andrade

    2006
    1- Kessler
    2- Mundine
    3- Lacy
    4- Beyer
    5- Andrade
    6- Bute
    7- Froch
    8- Green
    9- Inkin
    10- Manfredo Jr.

    2007
    1- Kessler
    2- Mundine
    3- Bute
    4- Lacy
    5- Andrade
    6- Froch
    7- Green
    8- Bika
    9- Inkin
    10- Pascal

    2008
    1- Kessler
    2- Bute
    3- Andrade
    4- Mundine
    5- Taylor
    6- Froch
    7- Bika
    8- Green
    9- Inkin
    10- Dirrell


    NOW IN 2010
    1- Bute
    2- Ward
    3- Kessler
    4- Froch
    5- Dirrell
    6- Bika
    7- Abraham
    8- Stieglietz
    9- Andrade
    10- Magee


    There's definitely
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    in the "top 10" 2010 crop of fighters than there ever was in the last 10 years when comparing top 10s.

    Like them or not, guys like Kessler (with 100% vision), Ward, Bute, Dirrell, Froch & Abraham would most likely, convincingly beat 8 out of the top 10 guys in 2000; 8 out of the top 10 guys in 2001; 7 out of the top 10 guys in 2002; possibly 6 out of the top 10 guys in 2003...and so on...
     
    pasky2000, Nov 7, 2010
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  6. Taranazan

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    Jean Pascal was borderline top 10 at SMW. He is now LHW champion. And all that in less than 2 years!
     
    Taranazan, Nov 7, 2010
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  7. Swarmer

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    typical.

    :lol:
     
    Swarmer, Nov 7, 2010
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  8. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem with the way Bailey sees things is that he gives way too much importance on what guys have accomplished, especially Europeans. Accomplishments are obviously important but only a fraction of the analysis that needs to be done.

    To validate his reasoning is like saying the regular season, 1992 Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls were an ordinary team because they never won an NBA championship yet...
     
    pasky2000, Nov 7, 2010
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  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Answers in Red on your post above

    I got fed up with filling out in red on the years but my point was seriously proven by your thread especially for the years 2004 and 2005. I did only go up to 2005 as my point was too well highlighted.

    Edit cont.. As you can see up to 2005 where I stopped, a fighter like B Mitchell has even arguably done more at SMW than most of the S6 and hes not the strongest on the list
     
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  10. bailey

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    Which isnt SMW :patsch, and when Froch beat him, he hadnt done much at SMW at all
     
    bailey, Nov 7, 2010
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Accomplishments are what rates fighters :patsch.
    You say especially Europeans which is wrong because I was noting how B Mitchell is a 2 time WBA SMW champ and had KOd Liles the then #1 SMW, and beat future champ Siaca, drew with 2 weight champ Girard and looked unlucky to many against Ottke, and that most of the time Mitchell was the away fighter
     
    bailey, Nov 7, 2010
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  12. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :patsch:

    OP has aids

    endthread/
     
    Wig, Nov 7, 2010
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    What a sick vile person you are :dead.
    This is what happens when people get completely defeated by facts. They hurl vile insults.

    But this thread is strong and has opened the eyes to many an ignorant poster :smoke
     
    bailey, Nov 7, 2010
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  14. Spman20999

    Spman20999 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not to mention he puts a lot of weight behind the super shaddy Sven Ottke; who wouldn't have the record he does if he hadn't hid in Germany where he was privy to many suspect victories...
     
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  15. Spman20999

    Spman20999 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think his comment was meant to be personal... He just wants you to die so the (somewhat) good people of this forum won't have to read your uninformed posts anymore...
     
    Spman20999, Nov 7, 2010
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