The Super middleweight division is looking at its weakest in years

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  1. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    This should be your signature !! Preach brotha preach !!
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Forget Calzaghe please. He is head and shoulders above anyone at SMW ever.
    Girard, Hilton, Brewer and Catley I said have done more than many not most, of the S6 at SMW and im correct. All those guys have won world titles and competed with world rated SMWs yet Dirrells biggest win is over a former MW (not SMW) champ by DQ :lol:, Green, I dont need to say anymore :lol:, Johnson couldnt compete at SMW years ago losing to Sheika even
    Point proven again
     
  3. bailey

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    So Calzaghe ruled and at one time there was 3 undefeated SMWs Calzaghe, Lacy and Kessler, with Joe considered the weakest link, yet Joe beat them both.
    Now tell me one active American SMW with a better resume overall resume than Lacy in the division? You cant.
    Calzaghe ruled with Beyer, Ottke, Mitchell who have all done more than any of the Super 6 fighters and guys like Woodhall, Reid etc have done more than most of them at SMW.
    Kessler Calzaghe beat when he was undefeated and not suffering double vision, and Kessler was the pre tournament favourite, now front runner Ward is feasting on left overs with Bute
     
  4. bailey

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    Watcher Pwned Pasky2000 making his arguement look pathetic.
    You see Pasky2000 facts have beaten you, forcing you to resort to mentioning Tyson on a SMW thread :patsch
     
  5. Imperial1

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    Nah im saying its much deeper now then when he was on top . Read again before you take this as an insult to Joe :good
     
  6. bailey

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    Thankyou for reading the post and understanding, many on here dont. The only way some of these fools would understand is if 14 losses 2 draws Johnson or previously beaten Bika won. Not that I would want that to happen because then the division would be at a bigger low than I already fear
     
  7. pasky2000

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    You're right again BAILEY and you always bring irrefutable facts with a perfect debate record... The perseverance & dedication are impressive ! Such a great addition to this board !!

    Thank you so much for the enlightement and Lord Have Mercy on Joe Calzaghe !!!

    BAILEY'S DEBATE RECORD = 630 W (545) - 0 L !!!

    Congrats !! :clap:

    P.S : You should write an ebook about being irrefutable and then sell it on Clickbank :good

    Thank you so much champ for your time and patience !!!! :thumbsup
     
  8. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: Don't worry Bailey...I'm taking notes from the master of debates and I'll make you proud sooner than later ! :good
     
  9. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    translation: "now that non european fighters (ward, dirrell, bute) are running the show as opposed to crackzaghe fighting old and shot fighters and ottke hiding in germany getting gift decisions, the division is weak. i pleasure myself to joe's slaps"

    seriously, if people can just stop responding to this clown and move on with our lives ESB would be a better place.
     
  10. bailey

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    Im not taking insult to Joe, he is not part of this thread, thats your hang up.
    But how can the division be deeper now?
    Forget Calzaghe he was a dominant champ that is unfair to include.

    B Mitchell had beaten Liles the #1 SMW for his title, beat future WBA SMW champ Siaca, drew with 2 weight champ Girard Ring #3 SMW at one time and only lost by SD away to Girard looking unlucky, he also looked unlucky against Ottke. So consider that Mitchell was the away fighter, tell me who in the S6 has done more than Mitchell?

    M Beyer was a 3 time WBC champ with names like Lucas, and undefeated D Green & Woodhall on his resume.

    R Woodhall to really give you an example beat Branco the future WBA LHW champ who was recently a good enough challenger for Pascal all those years later, Catley the future WBC champ, Malinga the WBC champ and Nardiello the world rated former champ. Now who active in the S6 except for possibly Froch has a deeper resume or is on the verge of achieveing one?

    R Reid beat Nardiello away and beat Wharton a tough world rated challenger, along with future MW champ Cherifi and looked very unlucky against Ottke not to mention beating undefeated B Magee who is now European champ and WBA mandatory. Not many in the S6 have come as far.

    Even if you look at a fighter like M Veit he has accomplished more at SMW than Ward.

    So how is it deeper. Its more shallow if anything, when someone who has done as little as Dirrell is so highly rated or that a former MW whio didnt beat anyone of note is instantly highly rated in the division.

    Bute has no better resume than Lacy but he is considered top man of the division.
    Wards only win is over an unwell double vision suffering already beaten fighter in Kessler and he is considered 2nd best :patsch
     
  11. bailey

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    No probs, I always have time for the little people

    I doubt it, but dont lose heart, thats what Dirrell does
     
  12. bailey

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    Ward has only beaten an already beaten unwell double vision suffering fighter as his big win.
    Dirrell isnt running anything :lol:, he was beaten by limited Froch, and his big win is a DQ over a former MW with no big names on his resume
    Bute the best of the division IS EUROPEAN DUMMY :lol::patsch.
    What old men was Calzaghe beating at SMW :huh, I will ask as you brought it up.

    I cant wait for this reply :lol:
     
  13. Imperial1

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    Listen all the guys I just mentioned are much more taleneted than :

    Reid ,Podwhil ,Beyer and Lacy ..If you think they are not than I can't argue with you ..Your talking about what Ward has done yet he's still cementing his legacy ..Any of the fighters mentioned would destroy Ottek you hear me destroy him so who 's left ?

    Kessler ?Reid ? Please enlighten me ..Put up anyone that you mentioned up against Double A ,Andre Dirrell ,Andre Ward ,Carl Froch ,Bute and even Glen Johson than get back to me ! None of them were as good as these guys !And we all know undefeated records don't mean **** so please get off that :good
     
  14. pasky2000

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    :rofl Stay Gold :rofl
     
  15. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I already feel bad for you trying to debate with him...:D He'll drive you crazy but good luck anyways :thumbsup