The super six fighters and bute

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Ive watched Bute only a couple of times so dont know that much about him.From what ive seen though he would struggle against all of the fighters in the super 6.

 

I agree - Andrade was in the neutral corner and Bute didn't know where the **** he was.

Definitely should have gone his way.

 

Your video shows that the bell didn't ring until the ref was calling them together again after he had 8 counted Bute and checked whether he was ok to continue (OK to continue means in a position to defend himself, which he very clearly wasn't). This video shows much more clearly what happened.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0[/ame]

 

There was not even 1 second in the fight If you look at the video and count for yourself(because the oficial timer disappears in the last 5 sec) they where 3 seconds left in the match when Andrade KD Bute and with the 8 sec count do the math. The match was over as soon as Bute got up.The referee was still looking at Andrade (who was closer to the center of the ring that the neutral corner and walking towards Bute-watch the video i posted) when Bute got up leaning on the ropes -The referee didn't notice that Bute was that hurt- When he turned back at Bute he was already up ... Lucian was raising his gloves.The referee checks his hands restarts the fight(idk why cuz there was no seconds left) then someone remebers to ring the bell and the referee waves off... end of the match. I admit that i am biased. I might be wrong

 

The fight only ends when the bell rings, and that is after the ref has gone through his checking to see if the fighter is fit to continue ...thems the rules. If the ref doesn't think the fighter is fit to continue, even though the 3 minutes of the round are up he can still "stop" the fight and award it to the man in the neutral corner. IMO Bute wasn't anywhere near fit to continue, you could actually argue that the fight should have been stopped earlier in the round, and also Bute should have had at least one standing 8 when the ropes stopped him from falling to the canvas.

 

Its not a case of remembering to ring the bell, it is only rung when the ref has finished the count and satisfied himself with the state of the fighter.

 

Somebody already posted you the relevant rule. Once Bute got up and his hands were clear of the floor the fight was over and the bell should have rang. The timekeeper ****ed up by not doing so immediately, but that's hardly favouring Bute.

What you are saying doesn't make any logical sense, even if it hadn't already been disproven by the posting of the actual applicable rule. How can a referee 'stop' a fight that has already finished? The only reason for a referee to stop a fight is ultimately to protect the safety of the fighter - clearly once a fight has finished they can no longer come to any further harm, therefore this is no longer applicable. You even allude to this yourself by saying Bute was 'in no position to defend himself' - what would he need to defend himself against, the reading out of the scorecards? A particularly probing interview?

As you already described, when Bute went down there were literally only 3 or 4 seconds left. There was never enough time for the action to resume, the only question was whether Bute would get up before ten. He did, the bell should have rung immediately. Fight over, Bute wins.

 

Here we go again. Let me educate you!
The IBF rules:
'The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.' - there is nothing stating that the ref must check the state of the fighter

 

The fight isn't finished until the bell rings regardless of the timing and the ref is duty bound to ensure that the fighter is fit to continue until that bell rings. If what you say is correct regarding the rules and the timekeeper did **** up this would have no impact on the refs decision to ensure that Bute was fit to continue as he wouldn't know that the fight was in effect over because THE BELL HADN'T RUNG TO END THE CONTEST...the referee is not the arbitor of time, thats what the timekeeper is for. Whatever the case is, ending a fight practically unable to hold yourself up without the aid of the cornerpost is fairly embarrassing for someone with claims on the divisions #1 spot. I suspect that if it was Bute who was behind on the cards and it was Andrade taking a shellacking the fight would have been stopped well before the final bell.

 

Well, yeah, but then the best argument is that the officials did a pretty shoddy job, but somehow arrived at the correct outcome. Which I don't think anyone is disagreeing with. There's no argument to say that Andrade was hard done to. If anything the bungling of the officials was detrimental to Bute as it overshadowed his win, it would be far more clearcut if they'd done it properly.

 

Bute should have had at least one mando 8 count in the last round when he went sprawling across the ropes, and if the official had been true to himself then he would have stopped the fight. Having a ref from the same city as one of the protagonists is not a good idea and only lends itself to accusations of bias.

 

Ken Hershman was interviewed about the Super Six a while ago in Boxing News and was asked why Bute wasn't invited, and he basically said that Bute had shown little interest in fighting the best in the division and little interest in fighting 'away', therefore Showtime weren't interested in him

 

Not because the former Showtime fighter had signed with HBO for the rematch with Andrade then....?