The Supernatural One needs to forget about Bernard Hopkins, it's a waste of a fight.

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Okay guys,

    Enough of this Bernard Hopkins talk, Joe at this point is still very much a Supernatural and Hopkins is looking shot, in the long run this Kessler win will do a lot for his resume, but Hopkins won't.

    He said he wants 2-3 more, so I'll go with 2 significant ones in acceptable combinations. Acceptable combinations would be:

    Woods + Dawson

    Bute + Dawson

    Bute + Woods

    Erdei + Woods

    Erdei + Dawson

    Bute + Pavlik

    Pavlik + Woods/Erdei.

    ................

    Any of these combinations would do a whole lot for JC's resume. I prefer Bad Chad, because that's a future HOF'er.
     
  2. Kostya Zoo

    Kostya Zoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A Hopkins fight is good for him right now. If he's going to go to lt. heavyweight, why not fight the undisputed champion?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Wrong.

    Hopkins is a proper, proper scalp, it adds to resume significantly to be the one to retire him. Calzaghe would then be the new great old man.

    Two fights? No sir. Three-five years, why not? Joe looked mid-twentites in a tough, tough fight last night.

    There is time for Hopkins. Why not? Roll onto the east coast and batter Hopkins down.
     
  4. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Totally agreed. I'd go Dawson and Woods, but I don't ever expect Joe to fight Chad. Chad lacks the name.

    The thought of Calzaghe/Hopkins depresses me. I love Joe's heart and would want to watch him, but that matchup will be ugly, boring, and pointless. Hopkins will try to fight as dirty as he can, and by mugging at Joe anytime he lands an occasional right hand counter.

    Meanwhile, Calzaghe will outwork him just like the vastly inferior Jermain Taylor did, and cruise to a decision. Shitty matchup and a bad PPV.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Hopkins is the Undisputed champ? Since when.

    He's the ring champion, Erdei is the linear and Dawson is the ' best ' at the weight. Everyone knows Hopkins is past it, they just don't want to admit it.
     
  6. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I can understand why Calzaghe wants this fight, but it's just a payday and resume candy to me. Hopkins doesn't have it anymore. The last time he fought a semi-prime, appropriately-sized opponent, he lost two straight decisions to Jermain Taylor. And that was in 2005, and now we're talking 2008.

    Almost anything would be better than Hopkins, even the long-awaited match against Glen Johnson. Or Woods. And definitely Dawson, which we know almost certainly won't happen.
     
  7. Kostya Zoo

    Kostya Zoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're right, he's not. But the American media says he's champion (i.e. - the Ring).
     
  8. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    The Dawson bout would earn him the most respect among true boxing fans. However I simply don't believe he can win.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Retiring an active WINNING legend, is never a joke. Being the one to do it would make Cal an overnight sensation over your way and pave his way to whatever fight he decided to PICK next.

    In the meantime he'd be in with an actual bona-fide ATG who, in my view, is a live opponent (beating Hopkins would never be easy, even now). It's a great fight for Joe.

    I think Joe has time to fight ALL of the guys you mention - but I would be scratching my head if he took on Johnson. That's one of the only fights he could take next that would see him truly regressing.

    And I also think you underestimate how big the Hopkins fight would be. 30,000 outdoors on the East coast is possible. More is possible. Joe could bring thousands with him.

    Can you say SUPERfight?
     
  10. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I just don't have confidence that Joe will remain in top form for much longer. He could fall off at any time, and I'd like for him to get the best fights before that happens.

    Hopkins is a legend and, yes, a winning legend, but he is severely faded. If Jermain Taylor X 2 hadn't happened I'd be more inclined to agree, but he's finished. He didn't look very good against the aging, bloated Winky.

    It would be an ugly fight and somewhat competitive because no one hits Hopkins cleanly, but it also would result in a clear winner. Joe throws far too many punches for Hopkins -- who lacks dazzling power -- to win.

    I'm certainly not advocating a fight against Johnson, but my point was that it would prove just as much or more to me than a win over a severely faded Hopkins. Johnson looks to still have something in the tank, although I'm sure we agree he'd have little chance of beating Joe.

    I don't dispute that the fight would make money, or that Joe is right to pursue it. I just don't think that, to we dedicated fans, it offers much excitement.
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A Hopkins fight will do alot for his resume. An ATG and current p4p o his resume certainly cannot hurt. You can talk about Hopkins age all you like but fact of matter is, he had 2 controversial losses against Taylor but came back with a p4p win agains tarver and another p4p win against Wright. The man is elite and resume wise would be the biggest name on Calzaghes name, by far.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Like it or not, but 25 years down the road, if Calzaghe had an impressive win over Bernard Hopkins in the USA, it would do wonders for what fans would think of him.

    Yes, Bernard is aging fast and well past it, but he is still the RING 175 champion and the number 4 P4P fighter in the world (soon to be 5th). Calzaghe isn't exactly a young man himself, so beating Hopkins at this stage would look real good on his resume.

    Of course Dawson is the better fighter now who is performing at a higher level, but banking on him to become a great fighter might not be such a good idea because what if he doesn't? And what if Calzaghe wins a close decision? People will say Calzaghe struggled to beat a green/overrated fighter.

    If Calzaghe-Hopkins doesn't happen, there will always be those people who say Calzaghe ducked him.
     
  13. planetzion

    planetzion Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :bbb :hi:

    fact hops is not shot and calz want Hops...mo money mo money...

    hops is never shot....even if he got shot he woulndt be shot so stfu
    :hi: :bbb
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Not that I would call it ducking per say, but it's the other way around...:yep
     
  15. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    If it doesn't happen, I would probably be inclined to believe Hopkins did the ducking as well.

    But I really doubt that this fight doesn't happen. If it happens in NYC, I will definitely fly out to watch it.