The "sweet science" hipsters are hypocrites

Nobody condones that but every fighter will get get away with whatever they're allowed. As an example, Kovalev got away with a lot of necklocks. I don't fault him for it, he knows how Ward fought in the past. Overall though, I think Ward fought a cleaner fight than Kovalev. Yeah, Ward is known to push the boundaries of what is dirty. No point in whining over it, creating threads ad nauseum.

I'd rather be a hipster than some blind nuthugger who gives nobody credit but his idol.

 

Okay so you've named Ward and the guy he's a carbon-copy of. They constitute 1% of 1% of all the 'slick' boxers ever. How did you come up with this idea for a thread again?

 

Maybe the other guy needs to measure distance and not smother his own work

 

You know your entire post is a complete generalization, right? There's no way anything you said could be corroborated by actual/credible information. It's ok to have an opinion, but lay off the nonsensical generalizations. It makes you come off as bitter and uneducated.

 

So why are you a Grabimir Clinchko fan?

 

Not sure if serious.. Look up Harry Greb who is ranked in the all time top 10 greatest list. Ward isn't even the dirtiest fighter of this generation

 

Yep, young Floyd Mayweather was a beautiful boxer, but what he did the last six or seven years wasn't boxing. It was some weird amalgam of wrestling and tag he'd invented and had too much power to get penalized for.

 

That's simply not true, Kovalev only reacted to Wards head first bull rush attempts. There's only so much you can do, he did catch him with punches a few times coming in. Ward didn't even try to come in while punching.

 

Ward is scientific the fighter as bhop was. The type who fight whatever way will get the W

Rjj and fighters like lomochenko are the fantasy type fighter. Who put the sweet into science.

Boxing lovers can appreciate both types. Casuals and shallow fans will only appreciate the RJJ types

 

Like Jack Johnson?

 

WBC Rules for Championship Fights. List of boxing fouls.
13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch.

Rules of Boxing British Board of control
(f) holding, butting, or careless use of the head, shouldering, wrestling or roughing:

WBA Referee Manual
There are many fouls in boxing. However, the three most obvious fouls are Headbutting, Holding and Low Blows.

 

Spot on. But then both Ward and Kovalev were guilty of excessive holding. At least Ward tried to engage from the clinch. Kov seemed mainly to wait for the ref to call break. He needs to find a way of getting his punches off when in close. Obviously, many here felt he still won the fight, but if there was any aspect of that bout where he came off a clear 2nd best, it was in exchanges following a clinch. If he can sharpen up his work in these moments when they rematch, his chances of winning increase immeasurably.

 

I hate Jack Johnson. He clinched and wrestled more than Mayweather and Klitschko together. Of course, when he was fighting it wasn't a foul. They'd barely gotten rid of the hip toss and just started making gloves mandatory when he was active. Nobody back then fought anything like boxers today. With the rules we use today, he'd need a completely different style or he'd get disqualified every match.

 

Jack Johnson was boxing. He pretty much introduced slip counters pull counters into the game. His methods were built upon to make the sport what it is today. That man was uneatable and it wasn't because he was some superman , its because he could do what his comp couldn't. You don't beat guys by doing nothing but clinching and wrestling unless you are Clinchko.
Johnson would throw more punches in the wheelhouse in one round than Clinchko would over 5 round from the the OUTSIDE.
The only time Clinchko attempted to punch inside resulted in him hitting his own face.
You hate Johnson? No ,you just don't know anything about him.

 

Lol that quick