the talent of willie pep vs the talents of srr.

Ok i'm going to have to go back on what i said i wouldn't do (right away as well). Because i feel Robinson is being sold short in this 'talented' area, i need to say this- the ability to make someone feel like they are trapped in a whirlwind of fists that all land as accurately as one another is rare talent- understatement of the century by the way.

 

Okay, but this seems to prove the point I made about power.

Pep was physically underwhelming -Robinson was not. Robinson was a tall, lanky WW more akin to Hearns than to Ray Leonard. Most WWs had a tough time handling his geometry, never mind his talent. Add to that the fact that he did not have the eraser that Robinson did, and the picture seems to get clearer. Pep started developing his talent as the Artful Dodger on the streets of Hartford -he was picked on and so developed his "smahts".

 

Teeto,

What's harder, throwing a whirlwind of accurate fists or being on the other end, and making every one of them miss?

 

I really don't know Stoney, because it's not like we're talking about someone like Tyson, who has one of the best talent-born offenses ever, it's Sugar Ray Robinson, and his offense is on another level completely to even Tyson's, and it's not all to do woth phsicality or natural gifts, the talent inherent in his ferocity is most likely on a level of it's own in my honest opinion. It's ridiculous. And the thing is, i'm only pointing out one facet of his game, and i'm talking so highly of it. I could do the same of his footwork, which is absolutley outstanding to the point i can't wax lyrical enough to do it justice, his balance and poise is amazing, and it's because he was so talented, that's the main factor that enabled him to perform to such a high level. Without the talent he would have been found out at some point. There's no doubt this is close, Willie Pep is up there with him in this regard in my opinion, but i side with Robinson, which is far from not justifiable.

 

love the end

your right that robinson had the physicality advantage and if we're talking about talent in certain areas or effectiveness, the edge goes to pep. but i guess i'm getting stuck on pep's very few weaknesses, while it would be hard to pinpoint one of robinsons. pep was an artist, much like locche, and it was beautiful to watch. i just feel robinson was more well rounded, with a deeper pool of skills in every aspect of the game

 

I wouldn't say it's far from justifiable, but I'd dispute it -obviously!

As per the question posed in the prior post, anyone who has been in the ring would confirm that the latter is more difficult than the former. It's simply easier to throw a punch than it is to make that punch miss by an inch and stay balanced, close, and in position to counter.

Robinson's offense was as second to none as Pep's defense was according to most -but I'd suggest that one is a harder than the other. In sum, I can't see anyone being considered more talented than Pep in that ring; but I wouldn't go to the mattresses over this particular debate.

 

Defensively speaking, Ray was nowhere near Willie.

 

woops, bang on. rereading my post i do say that. i feel he was more well rounded but footwork, timing and defense are all in pep's favour

 

I'm happy to agree to disagree on that note then Stonehands. Pep's right up there on this for me.

You might be right on the point of that prior question, ilke i said i don't really know, my point was just to clarify that the level Robinson was operating on was heavenly, and i was only highlighting one aspect of his talent.

 

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When Pep was fighting in the amatuers, he went into a locker room to see a big athletic man getting ready for a fight. Pep asks his manager "Whose fighting this guy". His manager says "You are". Pep was surprised. The guy was a giant compared to him.

That man was Suagr Ray Robinson

If I remember correct, I believe Sugar got the best of him, but I will have to re-check the source.