The Tavoris Karod Cloud "Best Violence In The Business" Cumulonimbus Supercell

Boom...I don't think Dawson or Cloud in the first fight "convincingly" beat Johnson particularly. I think both fights could've gone either way.

 

I respectfully disagree. I think Cloud could of gone Draw or 115-113 for Cloud. Whereas Dawson I could see it 116-112 for Dawson and vice versa for Johnson.

 

I was referring to the second fight where he completely schooled Johnson. The 1st fight he struggled, but he was still green and Johnson was younger. He dug in got the victory. Second time, schooled him. Alot of good fighters go through the same growth. However, a fighter like Tavoris wont go through this growth. He is a come forwards slugger. What you see is what you get. Cant believe you are so impressed by a guy who tires after 3 rounds and only fights maybe a minute a round. A fan of Pacquiao should have more sense then that.

He hurt Johnson for like a minute. Big deal, he hit Johnson with about 1 million punches and hurt him once. Whoopty doo. And no controversy? Many felt that Glen Johnson won or was atleast a draw. What the hell are you talking about lol? And this is an older Glen Johnson who Dawson already schooled one sidedly. Why are you taking pride in a young slugger like Tavoris Cloud fighting a close 12 round fight with a old swarmer?

His power is overrated. Its decent. But nowhere near what it'd need to be for him to ever be elite. His heart hasnt been determined yet. He hasnt fought a young lion yet. He's fought 2 old guys in clinton Woods and Glen Johnson and looked bad doing so. Dawson doesnt lack heart, he showed plenty in the 1st fight against Glen Johnson. He's just stupid. But he has far more talent in his thumb then Cloud has in his whole body.

Like I said. Poor guy.


Lets face it son. Clinton Woods and Glen Johnson were tailor made for him. 2 old guys with no movement who lacked defense. Just imagine if he's fighting a guy who moves, who has defense, quick reflexes, how do you see him prevailing when he lacks stamina and cant fight a full 3 minutes a round? The reason why guys like Margarito were good is because they could go a full 3 minutes and wear down there opponent? How do you forsee Cloud accomplishing this? A 1 punch KO? Sorry not gonna happen.

 

You don't hear that one on the general forum too often. I can appreciate that. :good

 

Nobody likes a suck up.

 

Not sure what you mean, Pete.

 

More like barely survived.

He learned a valuable mistake of not trying to knock out a guy that is almost impossible to knockout and keeps coming forward. He also finally realized to use his rangy advantages against a guy he should of had a stylisitic advantage over.

And What I see is someone that has drastically improved from his fight with Clinton Mitchell a year ago. Cloud didnt just kept coming forward against Johnson and try to go for the knock out(which he is so use to doing) but he controlled his energy pace aware of his own poor stamina and beat Johnson by picking his own spots to work Johnson out. If you want to beat Johnson you are going to have to stick and jab for 12 rounds or out hustle him.

Oh the Irony coming from a guy that is defending a guy who barely fought for an entire minute against Pascal the other saturday night.

Yeah its no big deal Johnson gets hurt all the time, it was also no surprise when Mosley had Margarito hurt. atsch

What, like 5 of you and Johnson himself that felt he won the fight. If thats your definition of many so be it.

This version of Johnson wasnt that much different than the one that fought Dawson the first time about. In fact Johnson threw more than 200 punches in the Cloud fight than he did in the first Dawson fight.

Still being too general I see. Thats not how boxing goes, you just dont say the slick boxer always beats the crude boxer. Its more complicated than that and have to add other intangibles to the equation.

That is your opinion, he is not a Tyson but he has the most power in the division without question.

Power alone is not whats going to take him to the top of the division. The comparisons with Jeff Lacy is ludicrous, Lacy came into every fight before Calzaghe to bully all of his opponents and get the KO. Cloud didnt show any similiarities at all when it came to Johnson. He fought smart and aware and wasnt trying for the KO from the get-go.

And when Dawson finally did how did that turn out for him?

He didnt look that bad against Woods, and like I said before Johnson was just a stylistic nightmare for a guy like Cloud but he still managed to pull through.

Dawson was feeling the urgency after the 3rd round against Pascal and still couldnt pull the trigger. Dawson is a fighter that is always on cruise mode in a fight and doesnt know how to pitch into another gear when the situation calls.

Cloud >>> Dawson

on the premise that

Effectiveness >>> Skill

 

I recall I was high on Cloud, until the Campillo fight...