The Ten Calzagments

They are running away with a small contrast, in order to make it perfectly clear. Sure, NAMES are good fighters, but they're not as good as their ranking according to past conquests would suggest! That is why some of us call them NAMES! Sure, Amsterdam and CHJ have an agenda! But so does the American boxing establishment and the American promoters! I think they're fair game! Don't you?

 

Hopkins and Wright are awesome fighters, who has denied this?

I claimed that they are used as 'names' and when they reach this level, they circle jerk with in house fighting instead of branching out like the old schoolers and taking on real risks. I hold nothing against Wright or Hopkins, these guys fought their way up to be where they are, but believe me, Hopkins' shutouts of all of his pre-Trinidad opponents nearly mean more to me than his KO 9 of DLH or his win over Wright, if you get what I mean by that.

Wright became absurdly overrated after the Trinidad loss, to the point where people thought he was one of the 'best defensive artists' of the era. The man is a technical pressure fighter the is centered around the jab and the tactical use to the guard as to apply the pressure, his handspeed and excellent timing and well rounded punch variety supplement this. But he also lost to Vargas, Harry Simon and could have had a draw with Mosely in the 2nd, the Trinidad win made people think he was 'nearly unbeatable' at the time, it's just more ridiculousness McGrain.

Then he goes on to win a razor thin decision over Soliman and the Taylor draw of course, he's also 35 this year and at least NOW, in 2007, nearing the end of the road.

 

There is objectivity when fight/fighter analysis is involved and there is objectivity when the state of play of the professional game is involved. Two different things! Amsterdam and CHJ make points about both, sometimes in the same argument.

Wrong! Because if you lose to another marquee-drawn opponent, your ranking only goes down by a bit, not by as much as it would if you fought a live opponent who was as good, but wasn't a NAME! ("Circle jerk" always leads to rankings bias; you might argue that those usually described as circle jerkers are not in fact circle jerkers, but circle jerking, per se, always muddies the water!

Amsterdam and CHJ are laughed at and attacked on a regular basis - they are used to it - for their analysis of the state of play of boxing. However, it would be silly to argue that they are not good, objective analysts of fights/fighters! This is what I argue! (Personally, I would say that they are objective analysts of the state of play too!)

 

This is all just fun and games mate. But he is a poor champion, he's a terrible model spokesperson as the MW champion and therefore a potential big voice for boxing and all involved with that.

He was competitive for specific reasons, even though these guys are great fighters, they lack the intangibles that beat Taylor and Taylor and management sought to avoid those types of intangibles after it, until Pavlik became a mandatory and there was no way out, Wright was a mandatory for that matter also, people make out like Taylor and DiBella absolutely wanted Wright.

But Taylor and DiBella also thought they'd plow through a smaller man, but Taylor's too flawed to stick to a gameplan and his skills highly overrated.

He had a styles advantage over a fading Hopkins and still couldn't seal it clearly, this is the dilemma with rating him well. Some people were projecting that he'd be a ****in' ATG for christs sakes, it was really absurd, he's mediocre all together when considering his physical talents and the hype.

Cool.

It is McGrain, I also dislike when these ****s like Lance and the even more idiotic 'Nervousxtian' make out like because I post from a semi-agenda(which is defending underrated fighters against exploitative rankings) and do so in an often comical manner, that I know nothing, when they know very little, nothing to the level of you for example, or KG0208 or the very knowledgable and classy 'Brooklyn1550', who we all get along with and have good discussion with.

Point being, these stupid ****s don't even grasp this, when we all do.

He is a P4P fighter, but not currently, a draw to Taylor and a loss to Hopkins should drop him off unless he secures something impressive, such as a victory over Abraham or a SMW win, I doubt both would come at this point.

No doubt he's not an ATG either, but he is a 'great' fighter. I suppose Wright in an era/era comparison would be like a Jimmy Bivins ranking, a 'great' but not an ATG.

 

Oh yeah? I've been a Calzaghe fan before he was born.

 

Oh, yes, Mr. Abraham! The prophecy of JC has come true in your lifetime!:thumbsup

 

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Funniest post ever !

 

You said the exact same thing about CHJ. I guess I should know by now you're pretty much just a joker on this baord that no one should ever take serious. Just pretending to be a boxing fan.:good

 

He never said that about CHJ...about CHJ he says he has a 100% correct picking record.

 

touche

 

Sure he was.

 

You two have to give each other a break! This is getting out of hand!