The term super heavyweight with skills has no official guideline. Here's mine

The term super heavyweight with skills has no official guideline, but here's how I see it:

Height needs to be 6'4" or higher.

Weight needs to be 225 pounds or higher.

Reach needs to be 79" or greater.

TWO our of THREE and you're a super heavyweight. Three out of three and there's no debating it, especially if exceed all the benchmarks.



The mimium requirement as I see it has roughly these advantages over past champions, on a near average.

3-6" in height
20-45 pounds in weight
3-6 " in reach

Such advantages are roughly equivalent to 3 steps up in weight classes, sometimes even more in at the lower ends of the scale.

Example #1 A skilled welterweight would have to beat a skilled light heavy or super middle.

Example #2 a skilled bantamweight vs a skilled jr. welterweight or lightweight.

Example #3. A skilled light heavyweight vs. a skilled heavyweight under 210 pounds.

Yes--results where the smaller man winning can happen, but they are rare in a historical context. And so are 200-210-pound heavyweight champions in the past 25 years since the inception of Skilled super heavyweights.

Larger more modern linear super heavyweights have even greater advantages.

 

I disagree.

Modern skilled super heavies like Bowe, Lewis, and the Klitschko brothers have much more skills in comparison to past giants like Jess Willard, Primo Carnera, Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, etc...

A skilled modern super heavy these days can pretty much be found in any year from 1990-2015, but having more than two good ones in the same year is still uncommon.

Smaller heavies have not lost their skills ( Povetkin, Byrd, Chambers ), they just have a harder time showing them vs. larger skilled super heavyweight opponents.

The Olympic 2016 class is loaded with 3-4 really good super heavies, which I hope turn professional.

 

I'm not sure I understand your conundrum.

Example: Robert Helenius is a very big man ( 6'6" 1/2 250 pounds, 79" reach ) with a punch, but he's not skilled and doesn't dominate on the scorecards vs. smaller opponents because he lacks the jab and accuracy on his power punches. As such I would not call him a super heavyweight with skills, but he is a super heavyweight.

" Super heavyweight with skills " to be is best defined as Bowe, Lewis, and the Klitschko's. All four have good to great jab and a great power punch ( Cross, Hook, or Uppercut ) in their ****nal. They are not one trick pony types and often dominate the scorecards vs. smaller opponents.

 

Which was the one trick? I see an all time jab, an all time right cross, and a knockout hook. This is multiple punches. His accuracy was very good in the division, according to any punch stats

Wlad has good foot speed and in his prime very good hand speed. He was very skilled. Ever trainer, including the ones who never sat in his corner said so.

The man could box, which is why Ring Magazine listed him high in their pound for pound ratings.

 

Neither did Ali. Does that make him unskilled as well?

 

Really, Okay then Ali by your definition wasn't skilled. I guess Frazier wasn't skilled either as he only had the hook.

By the way, Wlad started his career as a destroyer type, and KO'd a guy who fought Lewis for the title with a tremendous body shot.

You would sound a lot better if you said I just don't prefer the way Wlad fights, but he's skilled, and you'll dimish yourself if you think and type the opposite.