The term super heavyweight with skills has no official guideline. Here's mine

Nobody thought Fury would do it. (I did , but thats a different matter.)

If Fury can win that easily , it eliminates success against him to a tiny percentage imo.

 

Fury has proved that he can be outboxed, that's something some suspected but never really knew for sure.

We all knew he could be battered on the inside by someone strong or quick enough. Now we know he can be out jabbed as well but if you don't have a reach advantage your speed needs to be considerably better or your reflexes. Haye is one of the quickest in history and he wasn't able to beat Wlad to the punch so for every inch you give away the task gets a lot harder.

Tbh I'd always favoured the likes of Holmes anyways but more because I expected Holmes to be able to walk through him.

 

By that token, Ali had limited skills. Zero body attack, preferred to clinch inside rather than punch.

Part of the genius of Champions is tilting the field in their favor... making the fight on the terms where they excel. Waldo was pretty damn good at this.

 

Haye didn't have the speed of foot to match his hands. His footwork was very basic.
I saw Fury doing a job on him when they were meant to fight.

Adam Booth has since come out and said Fury's size would have been a major problem for him.

 

Those who think that the skillset a superheavy should resemble that of smaller fighters are lost in the woods. Superheavies need to control distance and pace first and foremost. If they are exhibiting their infighting skills or getting in firefights they are conceding their inherent advantages. Because superheavy skills look different, the more feeble minded tend to see it as a lack, rather than selection, of skills. The great trump to this is of course when a superheavy meets another superheavy.

 

Wlad has had a huge advantage over most of his opponents. Its amazing that when he fought Fury they stood next to each other they looked the same height, but in the fight Wlad looked like a midget in there.
As boxing evolves your seeing bigger and bigger men and the atheletics are improving. You couldnt just be taller and that was it, you had to possess some skills and footwork. Bowe had those skills, Lewis had most of those skills, Vitali had those skills, and Wlad did not. As metioned he cant fight a lick inside, and he just proved when forced to press a fight and cut the ring off against a guy who can move, hes lost.
The same thing will happen in the rematch only Wlad will be knocked out. Fury has a lot of holes in his game, but now he has this massive physical advantage in the form of movement and reach which allows him to compensate for his poor boxing ability. Hes gonna give guys hell, but I like Wilder to beat him.

 

Not true at all. A fighter will not always be able to utilize his size, as was the case with Vitali and Lennox Lewis. Vitali was forced to fight because Lewis was good enough to negate his reach and distance. You cant have one dominant skillset and compete against other great fighters because the other great fighters find a way to negate it, thats why we call them complete fighters.

 

Nonsense. If Lewis had no infighting skills , he would have lost bad to Vitali and Vitali lost because he had no inside ability.
Same against Mercer.
Lewis won fights on the outside when he could , but when he couldn't he drew upon that extra dimension that made him a great.

You're kidding yourself if you think Vitali or Wlad could keep a prime , peak Holyfield on the outside of their jabs.

 

Read my last line... the great trump is when two superheavies collide. And there are no complete heavyweights... never have been.

 

Why because only the great Michael Moorer could accomplish such a feat?

 

Evander shattered Moorer with short crispy left hooks and upper cuts.

 

But his feet were a lot quicker than Wlad's.

That's my point, if you aren't big you need to be incredibly quick or incredibly skilled.

In terms of beating Wlad on the outside I think I envision Ali and Holy doing it. Almost everyone else needs to work inside and hope the ref doesn't allow his clinching.

 

Your pretty much just described Muhammad Ali.

 

atsch

Could Wlad box off the ropes?
Could he rope-a-dope?
Could he hover around the ring for 3mins of every round?
Could he box off the back foot?
Could he throw multiple two hand combinations at blinding speed.
Could he fire multiple jabs while moving around the ring?
Had he an iron chin?