The thing about Anthony Joshua is that's he just not that good

Most big people dont even play sports so I guess the whole argument applies to everyone on Earth, not just yanks. Too many logical holes in such a statement.

 

all the best athletes are doing something else. lool i hate that rehashed phrase.

 

It scientifically doesn’t exist? Hahah. OK “Teddy Brosavelt”..Lean Muscle or Lean Body Mass is also known as simply “lean mass,” which is what I attempted to convey when I said “lean muscle”. Lean muscle mass is the total weight of your body minus all the weight due to your fat mass. It includes the weight of all your organs, your skin, your bones, your body water, and your muscles.

I only used “tone” to help you out. More of a descriptive word to provide a visual of the difference between “bulky” and “lean”. I see that didn’t help. Lol. I honestly didn’t think it would be that difficult for anyone to decipher the difference between bulky mass and lean mass but I was mistaken?

This obviously went way over your head because you felt the need to infuse “fast twitch” and/or “slow twitch” muscle fibers into the discussion??? LOL. You’re confused and made this a completely different conversation Chief..If the original topic had to do with how athletes should get explosiveness, stamina/endurance out of their bodies...you bringing this into the fold would make sense.

I was simply talking about the bulky muscles vs lean muscles and what works best for boxers. It really is that simple. If you want to go into the discussion of fast twitch muscle fibers that’s fine because it does relate to most sports and is definitely relevant to boxing.

You don’t increase fast twitch muscle fibers by lifting heavy weights or even doing low weight/high reps. The difference in which muscle fibers you build comes not from your training speed, but your training intensity. If you do an isometric exercise that involves holding a half-full cup of water out at arm's length for four hours a day, you'll develop lots of slow-twitch muscle because the intensity over time is low.

Your notion that some people have “more” muscles is flawed. No one has more muscles than anyone else. Everyone has the same number of muscles in the human body. Some have more “muscle mass”....some have “leaner muscle mass”...but ultimately the number of muscles remain the same.

Using Cyclist, swimmers and track athletes was not flawed....you just failed to associate my comparison within the appropriate context. You say many cyclists are “huge”. They may be bigger than the average couch potato but compared to a 200+ lbs bodybuilder they are merely “lean” or having less muscle mass.

You seem to get what I’m saying because of how you described Carl Lewis as “being leaner” than Linford Christie? Lol. That’s was my original point. Joshua is more like Linford Christie vs Wilder who is more like Carl Lewis. Not that Wilder is a better boxer from a skills perspective....just that his leaner muscle mass is better suited for what a boxer needs from their bodies in such a grueling sport.

The big muscles look great, but aren’t very practical for Boxing. It limits the range of motion, requires the heart to work harder having to carry all that weight and hinders stamina in fights that go the distance.

The reason Carl and Christie performed the same yet had different physiques had more to do with genetics and the kind of anabolic steroids they used to compete at that level. I’m sure their training was very similar for what they wanted to get out of their bodies to produce the kind of levels required to be at the top of their game.

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Ha! Youre small.

 

All the best athletes are too busy posting on ESB.

 

This is true.

 

I have a 50 inch vertical leap and a 40 yard dash time of 3.50. Too bad I spend all my time posting on ESB.

 

Joe Frazier was one of the greatest fighters in one of the most talent rich eras the heavyweight division has ever seen.

He sucked as an athlete.

Explain that for me someone.

 

Hand on heart, I think he's gonna go down as the goat

 

i'm 3 foot seven now.

 

Great response

 

There’s a deeper talent pool in the US for football and basketball than Boxing. Simply because those two sports are high profile and offers athletes more opportunities to get a scholarship and further their education. But even more important is grooming athletes from an early age to maximize their potential in whatever sport they choose.

Since Boxing is such a niche sport, unlike Football and basketball....the chances are less likely someone who would have been a really special boxer is ever realized because they gravitate towards what’s more popular and easily accessible. The kids in the US have idols who are in the NFL, NBA or MBL....not Boxing. So that has an affect on where the more athletic talent typically ends up.

Boxing is not that appealing for a large majority of the population in the US and are pulling the majority of athletes from a very small subset of the US population. Our boxers usually come from poor backgrounds...from inner cities where boxing gyms are more prevalent than anywhere else within each state. Even then, football and basketball is where the majority of these kids gravitate towards.

So the impact this has on US Boxing is pretty substantial...especially for the bigger athletes since basketball and football recruit naturally bigger athletes starting very early on.

The US population is roughly 240M....but the actual percentage of kids that are likely to take up Boxing as a sport or actually become pro boxers is less than 1% of that figure. So there’s definitely a correlation of why the US hasn’t produced many great heavyweight boxers since the golden era when Boxing was as big or bigger than football, basketball and baseball.

 

Lol! The whole best boxers are “In the NFL and NBA now doe!” has always cracked me up. Have you ever seen them try to fight?! Yes I know they don’t train in combat sports (Actually some do) but there is a little bit of the ‘You either have it or don’t’ element that has to account for something. Lol

The reason why the US doesn’t have nearly as many top boxers as it used to... Because boxing is more of a global sport now days! Simple as that.

 

Boxing is much more of a global sport. That is very true....but the reason an NFL or NBA athlete that tries Boxing after a failed pro football or basketball career has everything to do with lacking the kind of skills Boxing requires.

Those examples take athletes who started building skills at a very early age in a completely different sport, then attempting to transition to Boxing. Their muscle memory is ingrained by that point and they have the monumental task of having to learn the sweet science and shed what they’ve internalized from whatever sport they came from.

It would be like a pro boxer trying to transition to playing pro basketball or football. Had those same pro football or basketball players put on a pair of boxing gloves as children vs picking up and football or basketball, they may have become an elite heavyweight boxer.

It does take a special kind of mentality to be a boxer so I’m not saying every pro basketball or football player would be Ali....but I am saying many of those athletes could have had a chance to be a great professional fighter and are never realized, simply because in the US the majority of kids are automatically pushed towards the more popular and accessible sports like football and basketball

 

Remember when Mitchell was on that hand picked run and that scumbag conraddobler would say he was a failed football player with a bad knee and he was still going to dominate HW's? Then after he crashed and burned conraddobler said he was garbage and healthy football players would dominate HW if they started early enough.

Which was his intention all along because his agenda stays intact regardless of what Mitchell accomplishes(ed)