The thing about Lomenchenko

I don't think he's as accurate as some of the others, though maybe the stats would suggest differently? He's of his own paradigm, which does traverse more or less the full gamut of the sweet science, in his own very uniquely idiosyncratic way. As such, he's his own maestro à la Mayweather Jr. à la Whitaker.

 

We associate genius and exemplary footwork and movement generally with American fighters and certainly not with European fighters. Lomachenko is the yin to the yang mastery of the Americas. This is what utter boxing genius looks like, Ukranian style, but more pertinently, Loma style -- because like you said, he's a unicorn. He's a paradigm unto himself.

When people compile top 20 P4P lists, how many of those fighters end up being European? I believe you're looking at the first true mega ATG from Europe.


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I agree that some of what Lomachenko is doing looks next level, such as his seamless transitioning from offense to defense, as you stated.

 

So what you're really trying to say is that he's better than those guys cos he presses the action and goes to the body.?

Firstly he isn't anywhere comparable to Mayweather or Whitaker , secondly Mayweather was an excellent body puncher.
Ever see his one body shot punch KO of Henry Brusslels ? Probably not.

Is Loma the next guy you want to ruin for everybody? Is it not enough he's being talked about as the best P4P fighter currently in the sport .. Is that not enough for you? Why does he have to be better than established ATGs of the sport already?

 

All Lomachenko needs is time - calling it right now.

Age for age, Mayweather Jr is slightly ahead, given the fullness of his accomplishments by that stage, and with him just putting on a horrific schooling of Arturo Gatti. The pace Loma is going at is light speed though, and he's making up on lost time for going pro fairly late. He's going to get a move on and I've seen enough to predict right now on the spot that he'll be the best of his generation.

Let's see.

 

Why are you even bringing up Mayweathrer. Can't you enjoy him for who he is? Couldn't you have made this thread without diminishing the achievements of 3 former ATGs?
You don't hear Ward say he was better then Hagler , Robinson, Spinks etc..

 

Floyd Mayweather can box in allll facets and has shown it....Lomo...as good as he is...has not shown that. He is not a better boxer than Floyd at all. He is a hell of a boxer though.

 

Nobody hates on Chenko. You can't enjoy the guy without using him to try knock former greats off their pedistial. Your agenda is transparent.

 

Lomachenko in today's water down sport is of course the most complete active fighter. There's no denying that. That said I feel his fights have been hand picked fights like Salido which back fired, and even Walters who was put on ice and thawed out (in hindsight I admit, dude quit and I think it would've been more interesting if Walters was kept more active, not allowed to blow up then have to cut weight, still a good win but now a little over rated) or even Rocky Martinez who many felt robbed Salido, I personally can't sit here and say Loma is the truth yet.

He has the goods but his career thus far has been scripted and I think we definitely need more time before any of us jump to conclusions. I never judge until I've seen a fighter face adversity and we all have to agree, he fell short on adversity test #1 against Salido.

 

Absoloutly agree with you,Rigo only ever counter punches but when pressed like that last round v Donaire he's extremely dangerous which makes him even more annoying,can't say anything bad about Floyd since I've enjoyed watching him in some big fights over the years.
How about this I think the beautiful thing about Lomo is that he reproduces in the ring what he does when he's shadow boxing,I think that's a very rare thing and I've not seen many able to do that,I'm sure Bruce Lee would have approved as he had this thing about being able to fight in a very true way which is something Lomo does,once he Susses put his opponent it's all over.

 

Very good series of posts.
I don't think Ward is as good as Michael Spinks, I think Spinks is arguably top 10 of all time in terms of H2H ability, and the best LHW ever.

I was actually thinking about Loma's weaknesses. We've seen the glaring weaknesses of the likes of a Mayweather for example.
Watch the first couple of rounds of the Gamalier Rodriguez fight. They were razor close from what I remember. He had us suspect that he's back to old ways being far too conservative with his punches. He was in fact figuring Gammy out. Also, I fear that when facing a very aggressive fighter, he will take the mode of more of a defensive fighter - but this makes him a lesser boxer. Watching round 3 of most fights of his in the amateurs, he would choose this style to protect his lead and it's not as impressive. Vasyl will do unbelievable work if you give him enough space - the problem is he made the Gary Russell fight more competitive than it seems on that 'Goals Best' youtube highlight. He did the same thing against Ramirez in his debut and looked rather unimpressive despite genius moments. He has shown he doesn't need to retreat as much anymore and can stay in punching range but as much as I rated Walters, Loma did take a while to figure him out and was more tentative than he needed to be - against a dirty aggressive fighter like Salido, he's not going to get away with it to the same extent.
Also, he could be an even better fighter if he incorporated more dirty tactics. How else did Ward manage to squeak a decision against Kovalev? Ward had the GOAT run at an any Olympics tourney and on top of that can fight dirty.