The title for greatest trainer of all time cus, or ang

That is definitely true of Dundee regarding Leonard. But Steward is very hands on, he's in the gym and holding the pads and closely watching the sparring. From what I understand, Futch was the same way.

Dundee used to be the in gym guy when he was training Ali, Pastrano, Dupas, and Basilio, but later on I think he became too old and wasn't physically cut out for it anymore.

 

JOHN DAVID JACKSON: "A LOT OF TRAINERS TODAY AREN'T EXPERIENCED IN THE WAR OF BOXING"

"A lot of trainers today aren't experienced in the war of boxing. They might have fought as an amateur for a few fights, maybe a few fights as a pro, but unfortunately, a lot of guys today aren't fighters to begin with. A lot of trainers do great mitt work, and it's flashy, and that makes them a great trainer? No, you're a great mitt guy," stated world-class trainer John David Jackson, who shared his thoughts on the current state of boxing and the lack of knowledgeable trainer in the sport. You don't want to miss what he had to say about "fake trainers", Angelo Dundee, and what Muhammad Ali once told him. Check it out!

JA: So what have you been up to lately?

JDJ: Not a lot; just staying busy with these young fighters that I have. I'm teaching these young fighters the proper way to fight.

JA: Is it more difficult now John to teach these young fighters the fundamentals of boxing, whereas a lot look to train and fight like a guy like Roy Jones?

JDJ: Yeah, I tell a lot of people about Roy and that Roy's style is once in a lifetime. Roy and I talked about this. Roy was never taught to box the proper way. His skill and his youth is what got him over. Once he got a little bit older and the legs left him, he couldn't rely on his athletic ability anymore. No one taught him how to dip his waist, bend his knees, and fight off the ropes. Once he got to the later stages of his career and he didn't have the skills to fight on the inside, he was lost. You look at him now and he's had a lot of fights in which he shouldn't have lost or has been stopped. Roy has had a great career and now, it's been diminished a bit by these losses, which is unfortunate. Roy and I had a conversation at an airport in Vegas, and when I mentioned certain things, he agreed with me. It's unfortunate that he wasn't taught at some point or spoke up and said I need to learn how to fight off the ropes and develop these skills so I won't take as much punishment later on in my career.

JA: Do you think he should still be fighting?

JDJ: I like Roy, but for his health, I don't think that he should be fighting because each time you get in the ring, your body accumulates more punishment and the older you get, the more damage your body will incur long term. I told him, "You had a great career and I think you should hang the gloves up," but if he wants to fight, you can't stop him.

JA: You used to train Allan Green and Allan had a fight against Mikkel Kessler in which he took a vicious knockout. What did you think of the fight?

JDJ: Allan was never a physical type fighter in the first place. Allan got knocked out a lot sooner than I expected he would, but I knew Kessler was going to beat him for three reasons. The first is ever since Allan had his colon operation, he's never been the same fighter. Number two, you're fighting in Denmark. Number three, Kessler is moving up to 175, so he's going to be a lot stronger. Allan had those three things working against him, as well as his promoter wasn't involved in the fight, so no one was looking out for his best interest. He was thrown into the lion's den for that fight and came out with a bad knockout. Those knockouts are ones where fighters don't usually recover. Very few fighters recover from knockouts like that and the best thing for him to do is retire. I read where the fans were saying that Allan Green was talking a lot of trash, and by getting knocked out the way in which he did, it doesn't sit well with the readers I guess.

JA: One of the positives in the fight for him was when he scored the first round knockdown. Do you think that he got over-confident and thought he could do what he wanted with Mikkel?

JDJ: I don't think that he got over-confident because when he dropped Kessler, he couldn't finish Kessler. It was a good knockdown, but Allan didn't have the tools to finish him the way he was supposed to do it. Allan rushed in and tried finishing the fight. In actuality, he should have taken his time and be smart in his approach. If I can hurt you with one punch the first time I catch you, I know I can do it again. Allan didn't have the physical make up to do it, nor did he have the right people in his corner to tell him how to do it. I knew Kessler would be tough for Allan and he came back and showed it. Like I said before, I like Allan and I hope he hangs it up before something bad happens to him.

JA: You wanted to talk about "fake trainers". What did you mean by that?

JDJ: Well Jimmy, what I meant by that was you have people in the boxing game who aren't real trainers. Here's the problem, you might have a trainer who might have three amateur fighters and a few professional fighters and everyone is telling him he's a great trainer. They might say the right thing in the corner where they're encouraging their fighter and sometimes using boxing language. Now they're calling him a great trainer. No, you're not a great trainer, but what you really are is a great hype man. A great trainer is a great teacher of the sport. You have great trainers in boxing that can get you physically ready to fight, but they can't teach you one thing about boxing. A lot of trainers today aren't experienced in the war of boxing. They might have fought as an amateur for a few fights, maybe a few fights as a pro, but unfortunately, a lot of guys today aren't fighters to begin with. A lot of trainers do great mitt work, and it's flashy, and that makes them a great trainer? No, you're a great mitt guy. A lot of guys get in the sport of boxing and get a fighter who can fight a bit and wins a few fights, then they're a great trainer? Some people label me a great trainer. I tell them that I'm not a great trainer yet, but once my career is over, then that's when you can decide if I'm a great trainer or not. I know how to teach the sport of boxing and how to fight. I would compare my knowledge up against anyone out there. I can teach the sport because I've been through the battles. I've been through the grinding of training ever since I was a teenager. I've fought overseas and still came back with my title intact. Jimmy, this is the only sport where its not regulated. You can't walk in a hockey rink and be the coach of the team. You can't go up to the New England Patriots facility and tell them, "I want to be the quarterback of the team or I want to be the head coach." They would kick you out the stadium. Boxing is the only sport where you can walk in, without any experience, and be something.

JA: Do you think a lot of these trainers have not been taught the right way?

JDJ: A lot of the great teachers of the sport are either old or have passed away. They may have taught some of their pupils, but not a lot. They have taught the craft to some people, but they never actually learned or comprehended what was given to them. Also, they will align themselves with some great trainers, and I guess this guy is training me, so I know boxing. No! Look, I can teach you how to fight Jimmy, but if you never had a fight, what good does it do for you?

JA: Angelo Dundee's was probably one of the best teachers of the game, would you agree?

JDJ: I know I'm probably going to make a lot of people mad by saying this, but from what I seen and from what other fighters who have worked with

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told me, he never showed them anything as far fighting. When I say teaching, I mean to show you how to fight. He was great in the corner, keeping his fighter hyped up and motivated; he was very good at that. He stressed things to you and if you were behind in the fight, he would wiggle a little magic, tell you the right thing and what to do. A lot of good fighters took what message was given to them and turned it into something good. A lot of the fighters that he had were very good fighters. Those fighters, if you think of it, all had other guys training them and teaching them how to fight, and Angelo would come in the last two weeks before the fight to polish things up. As far as teaching, he didn't really teach fighters. No one I ever talked to ever told me he was a good teacher of the game, and I talked to a lot of fighters. As a younger fighter, I was curious to see how this guy was and that guy was. When I talked to fighters about Angelo, they said, "John, he never really showed me how to fight. He was great in the corner, but he never showed me how to fight." Listen, that went a long way for Angelo. He's in the Hall of Fame and I give him his respect. The first time I met Muhammad Ali was back in 1991 and he told me, "I love Angelo and I think he's great, but he didn't teach me how to fight."

JA: You know your going to get a lot of heat for saying what you said.

JDJ: You know I'm going to get it, but listen, these guys know the truth. I've given the man his props and he's a great motivator and great in the corner. A lot of guys can be great trainers, but come fight night, they get lost where they get tongue-tied, caught up in the fight. Listen, I gave Angelo his props and the recognition he deserved.

JA: Is there anything that you want to say to your fans out there John?

JDJ: Well, I would like to thank you for giving me the forum to talk, and I appreciate you and your articles. I appreciate the fans; come out and watch the fights. Thank you for everything.

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I trained extensively with Eddie Futch, many years.

He was the best teacher I've ever had, and the best trainer I've ever seen at work.

Pad work with him around was a revelation. Sparring, such a treat. I've never received better instructions in between rounds: Simple, easy to apply, yet so precise that if you actually listened, the turn around in your performance the next round was fantastic.

Think I improved more in three months, an hour a day, under Eddie's half-paying attention eye then I did in the first 6 years of my boxing education.

The guy lived for what he did, as well. He never left the floor, wandering around and making sure every fighter in his building got atleast a few minutes of his help.

D'Amato was an elitist. Fantastic trainer, but he latched himself to the most talented and athletic of his charges. Once you demonstrated anything that amounted to severe limitations, it was well known that you usually lost his affections.

Dundee was more of a coach then a trainer. His value was in the cornering and the molding. A guy who could build a fighter out of nothing, Angelo was not. But he took a whole lot of good fighters and made them better. Most who've worked with him and actually made it to the top swore by him.

Ray Arcel, just a legend, and the proof is in the pudding. Also surrounded himself with all the right people to help craft even better fighters.

I'd vote Eddie, but I'm hideously biased.

 

Charley Goldman was a genius.

 

Cus over Dundee.
Remember Alis pilgrimage to the master prior to the rumble in the jungle?
Cus game planed for Ali to a tee.
Your fighting a bully you must immediately go out and hurt him, and Ali did.
That was in the Leon Gast documentary.

 

Charlie Goldman...

 

Arcel is the greatest..D'Amato was great for guys of a certain body type and with certain physical attributes. his style was so perfect for tyson that it is amazing that they found each other (no Sandusky homo) almost like fate or something. having said that..he trained everyone with that style..and guys like Jose might have benifited from a somewhat different style. as for dundee....good motivator..good manager..as far as teaching techinques...ahhhh

 

Eddie Futch

 

I think Freddie Brown was the greatest trainer.

Angelo Dundee and Ray Arcel the best cornermen.

Two different skills.

 

he did very very well with marciano, but how many other fighters did he ruin?

 

futch is the best numerous fighters went with him and became world beaters. even some of the lower end guys he trained got alot better.

this is true of cus. i have a bobby stewart interview where he went into detail about this alot.

 

Blackburn was the only one of the bunch that was not only a great trainer but a great pro fighter. He gets my vote.

 

Do you know if D'Amato was always that way or if it only really kicked in once he got older and wanted another world champ in the worst way?

 

I have to give it to Ang..he just trained so many Great champions and i believe he needed Ali just as much as Ali needed him..A beautiful relationship between trainer and the greatest of all time, But I do have to say Cus did an amazing job with the last task he had before he died...Some kid from the projects in new york Named Mike Tyson..Another beautiful relationship between trainer and A great champion..I rank Tyson personally at #5 all time Greatest HW champions..Who knows what coulda happened had he not lost to Buster and went to prison..After that he just wasnt the same. Still dangerous still knockin the **** outa guys , but just the same iron Mike...

 

Lou Nova went on file saying Arcel was overrated in true ability to train.......

Futch and Steward are THE best....

Roach is good, yet overrated as well......

MR.BILL