The toll Briggs had to pay for going the distance.

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  1. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Vitali 'ruined' Briggs :lol:
    That's like saying you ruined a piece of dog **** by stepping on it.
     
  2. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably when he tried to actually block some of Vitali's punches and his muscles simply weren't conditioned to move in such a manner...his patented "break your hand on my face" defense evidently wasn't effective that night so he had to at least try to change it up a bit.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I find it quite humorous how Mendoza calls a New England team with 2 first round draft picks, 2 2nd round draft picks, 2 3rd round draft picks next year...a team "in decline". LMAO. New England smartly stockpiled their picks for next year including a top 5 pick courtesy of the raiders, and will be very good for years to come.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    But they did. They have one of the youngest defenses in the league. 10 of their 11 starters on Defense are under the age of 30. They continue to improve every week. Jerod Mayo is leading the NFL in tackles, Pat Chung is turning into a monster, Brandon Spikes had 16 tackles the other day, Devin McCourty is blossoming into a shutdown corner, Jermaine Cunningham is looking more and more like he is going to be an elite pass rusher. Give it time.

    As for a Deep Threat, Brandon Tate is the answer. He has blazing speed, and very good hands, along with tremendous natural ability. If not for an ACL injury 2 years ago, he would have probably gone in the first round in the draft. He is already an electrifying kick returner. Also don't sleep on rookie Taylor Price for the future. 6'0 200lb 4.37 speed.


    Patriots just unseated the # 1 rated Baltimore Ravens, WITHOUT Randy Moss. I would say that is pretty impressive.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    ffs. this is really becoming a little to much in my opinion. every single time there is a Klit fight we have to endure 4-6 threads on the ****ing thing...
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Definitely getting a Klit too much.

    Sorry Mac :oops:
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, when Briggs gets to be about age 50 and he cannot wipe his ass by himself or tie his shoelaces without an assistant, we'll then know what effect this fight with V.K. had on him...

    MR.BILL
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    This is a yahoo article.

    [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Agcy5HXVWZF4bjcSHX5APzWUxLYF?slug=ki-boxrankings102010[/url]

    Malpractice is a word that immediately leaps to mind when thinking of the jobs that Ian John-Lewis and Herman Caicedo did – or, more properly, failed to do – on Saturday in Hamburg, Germany, during the World Boxing Council heavyweight title fight between Vitali Klitschko and Shannon Briggs.

    The words incompetence and carelessness also come to mind.

    Briggs took a horrific beating from Klitschko in a terribly one-sided fight and wound up in a German hospital with serious injuries. He suffered a broken left orbital bone, a broken nose and a torn left biceps in a bout in which he never came close to winning a round.

    John-Lewis was the referee for the fight and he stood idly by as the powerful Klitschko, who had knocked out 38 of his previous 42 opponents, pounded Briggs unmercifully. The fight could have been halted as early as the sixth round, when it was clear Klitschko was far too much for Briggs to handle.

    A fighter’s safety is the primary responsibility of the referee and John-Lewis failed miserably. Fortunately for Briggs, he’ll be able to recover from his injuries and says he wants to continue his boxing career, but the long, sustained punishment he absorbed in that bout is the kind that often leads to a tragic conclusion.

    Rarely does a fighter die from a one-punch blow. I have covered numerous matches in which a fighter has died as a result of injuries he suffered in the ring and in nearly every case, the fighter absorbed dozens of punches to the head, round after round after round.

    John-Lewis was negligent in failing to halt the carnage and should face sanctions from the boxing regulatory bodies which have licensed him.

    Caicedo was Briggs’ lead trainer and he, like John-Lewis, was completely irresponsible sending Briggs back out to fight. Just finishing a fight on his feet is not reason enough to allow a man to take the kind of a punishment that Briggs was permitted to endure.

    Caicedo has said in interviews that Briggs didn’t want the bout to be stopped, but that shouldn’t matter in the least. Like the referee, the trainer’s primary job is to look out for the health and safety of his boxer. And when he realizes his boxer is facing an undue risk, he needs to halt the bout.

    Briggs said he’s going to fight again once he recovers. I sincerely hope it’s when he recovers, but the remnants of the Klitschko fight may stay with him a long time. Freddie Roach has Parkinson’s, brought on by fighting far too long and absorbing punches he shouldn’t have taken.

    Hopefully, Briggs won’t wind up in a similar boat. If he manages to avoid long-term damage, it will be no thanks to the work of John-Lewis and Caicedo on Oct. 16 in Germany.

    With that, let’s take a look at the new Yahoo! Sports boxing rankings. We’ve added three new voters to the poll this month, with Showtime boxing analysts Al Bernstein and Steve Farhood participating, along with Damian Calhoun of the Orange County Register.

    >>>Intersting pound per pound ratings. If one of the top ten suffers a loss, Vitali is one deck to crack the top ten.

    Pacquiao


    1. Manny Pacquiao
    Points: 382 (31 of 39 first-place votes)
    Record: 51-3-2 (38 KOs)
    Title: WBO welterweight champion
    Last outing: W12 over Joshua Clottey on March 13
    Previous ranking: 1
    Up next: Nov. 13 in Dallas against Antonio Margarito
    Analysis:Margarito’s height advantage poses unique problem.



    Mayweather

    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Points: 358 (8 of 39 first-place votes)
    Record: 41-0 (25 KOs)
    Title: None
    Last outing: W12 over No. 10 Shane Mosley on May 1
    Previous ranking: 2
    Up next:Nothing scheduled
    Analysis: Legal woes place cloud over his boxing future.



    Williams

    3. Paul Williams
    Points: 272
    Record: 39-1 (27 KOs)
    Title: None
    Last outing: TD4 over Kermit Cintron on May 8
    Previous ranking: 3
    Up next: Nov. 20 in Atlantic City vs. No. 5 Sergio Martinez
    Analysis:Large wingspan and volume punching make him a difficult matchup.


    J.M. Marquez

    4. Juan Manuel Marquez
    Points: 240
    Record: 51-5-1 (37 KOs)
    Title: WBA, WBO lightweight champion
    Last outing: W12 over Juan Diaz on July 31
    Previous ranking: 4
    Up next: Nov. 27 in Las Vegas vs. Michael Katsidis
    Analysis: Still one of game’s most complete fighters.



    Martinez

    5. Sergio Martinez
    Points: 198
    Record: 45-2-2 (24 KOs)
    Title: WBC middleweight champion
    Last outing: W12 Kelly Pavlik on April 17
    Previous ranking: 5
    Up next: Nov. 20 in Atlantic City vs. No. 3 Paul Williams
    Analysis: Superior conditioning allows him to fight at quick pace.


    W. Klitschko

    6. Wladimir Klitschko
    Points: 156
    Record: 55-3 (49 KOs)
    Title: IBF, WBO heavyweight champion
    Last outing: TKO10 over Samuel Peter on Sept. 11
    Previous ranking: 6
    Up next: Dec. 11 in Germany vs. Dereck Chisora
    Analysis: Only realistic threat to beat him is his older brother, Vitali.


    Bradley


    7. Timothy Bradley
    Points: 116
    Record: 26-0 (11 KOs)
    Title: WBO super lightweight champion
    Last outing: W12 over Luis Carlos Abregu on July 17
    Previous ranking: 7
    Up next:Jan. 29 vs. Devon Alexander
    Analysis:Some question his chin, but Bradley always gets up after going down.


    Ward


    8. Andre Ward
    Points: 105
    Record: 22-0 (13 KOs)
    Title: WBA super middleweight champion
    Last outing: W12 over Allan Green on June 19
    Previous ranking: 8
    Up next: Nov. 27 in Oakland, Calif. vs. Sakio Bika
    Analysis:Now the clear favorite to win the Super Six.



    Lopez

    9. Juan Manuel Lopez
    Points: 77
    Record: 29-0 (26 KOs)
    Title: WBO featherweight champion
    Last outing: TKO2 over Bernabe Concepcion on July 10
    Previous ranking: 9
    Up next: Nov. 6 in Las Vegas vs. Rafael Marquez
    Analysis: One of most explosive punchers in the game.

    Donaire

    10. Nonito Donaire Jr.
    Points: 75
    Record: 24-1 (16 KOs)
    Title: Interim WBA super flyweight champion
    Last outing: TKO8 over Hernan Marquez on July 10
    Previous ranking: 10
    Up next:Dec. 4 in Anaheim, Calif. vs. Volodymyr Sydorenko
    Analysis: Dynamic puncher developing all-around game.

    Others receiving votes: Lucian Bute, 49; Vitali Klitschko, 49; Bernard Hopkins, 40; Fernando Montiel, 30; Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, 16; Yuriorkis Gamboa, 12; Celestino Caballero, 9; Jean Pascal, 9; Shane Mosley, 8; Israel Vazquez, 7; Miguel Cotto, 6; Rafael Marquez, 5; Tomasz Adamek, 3; Devon Alexander, 3; Andre Berto, 3; Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, 3; Vic Darchinyan, 2; Chris John, 2; Anselmo Moreno, 1.

    Voting panel: Al Bernstein, Showtime; Damian Calhoun, Orange County Register; Steve Cofield, Yahoo! Sports; Gareth A. Davies, London Telegraph; Tris Dixon, Boxing News; Andrew Eisele, About.com; Steve Farhood, Showtime; Doug Fischer, RingTV.com; Scott Fyfe, Sunday Post, Scotland; Carlos Gonzalez, Primera Hora; Randy Gordon, Sirius/XM; Lee Groves, ***********.com; Thomas Hauser, Seconds Out; Keith Idec, Herald News, New Jersey; Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports; Max Kellerman, HBO; Scott Mallon, Boxing Digest; Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated; Rich Marotta, Fox Sports; David Mayo, Grand Rapids Press; Franklin McNeil, ESPN; Gunnar Meinhardt, Die Welt; Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News; Marty Mulcahey, MaxBoxing.com; Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters; Peter Owen Nelson, freelance; Brett Okamoto, Las Vegas Sun; Santos Perez, Miami Herald; Cliff Rold, ***********.com; Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports; Michael Rosenthal, RingTV.com; Lem Satterfield, Fanhouse.com; Tim Smith, New York Daily News; Don Steinberg, Philadelphia Inquirer & Wall Street Journal; T.K. Stewart, ***********.com; Paul Upham, Seconds Out; Dave Weinberg, Press of Atlantic City; John Whisler, San Antonio Express-News; George Willis, New York Post
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    New England Patriots now 5-1!!!! In a total Rebuilding Year! Suck on that Mendoza. 5-1, Tied for the best record in the NFL. Read it and Weep.
     
  11. MRBILL

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    The Klit's are real bad-ass mothers......... **** all the haters and detractors, etc.... I pay them jaggovs' very little attention these days and nights....

    MR.BILL
     
  12. Foreman Hook

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    Yep - Quiter VITLAY And Paper-Mache-Cheen WALDO are bad-Ass mothas who get called top 10 ATG'S by their Fan-Girls cos they Beat BUMS And Tomato-cans in a v.boring saftey-1st way as they rule teh Worst Heavy Era O.A.T.
     
  13. manbearpig

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    he’s not that devastating one punch single puncher like Lennox. Lennox could knock you out with one punch, and Wladimir has that ability. Vitali systematically wears and breaks people down. That’s just the way he fights. It is very seldom you see him knock someone out with one punch. His fights with Sam Peter and almost all of his fights, he systematically breaks people down. That’s just him. Lennox was a totally different type of fighter and very unique.

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    Emanual Steward, being interviewed the other day
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  15. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Ancient, Fatty Lard-Ass, Rusty Lennox TKO6 PEAK VITLAY.:deal