The top 10 heavyweights never to fight for the title.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    What I want from you guys is a list of the top 10 heavyweights who never fought for the lineal title as you see it.

    A top 5 list will be looked at but please try for a top 10.

    I will permit you to include fighters that fought for the title and lost provided you make it clear that you are doing so.
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wills never fought for it, off the top of my head.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Now find the next 9.
     
  4. mcvey

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    A quick ten in no order Langford
    Mcvey
    Jeanette
    Jackson
    Wills
    Gains
    Choynsky
    Godfrey
    Smith
    McCarty
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I would have prefered them in order. That might have told us a bit more eg where the top 5 concentrate.
     
  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Peter Jackson
    Sam McVey
    Sam Langford
    Joe Jeannette
    Harry Wills
    George Godfrey
    Ernie Schaaf
    Jimmy Bivins
    Elmer Ray
    Harold Johnson (if counted)
    Rex Layne (if Johnson not counted)

    I put them in historical order.
    ability wise
    1. Wills
    2. Langford
    3. Jackson
    4. Bivins
    5. Harold Johnson
    6. Ray
    7. Jeannette
    8. McVey
    9. Godfrey
    10. Layne
    (11. Schaaf)

    I forgot Eddie Machen who could make this list somewhere near the bottom, but I wouldn't put him over Ray and Layne who beat the top men. Eddie never did. Larry Gains is another who deserves a mention.
     
  7. mcvey

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    AsI said its a quick list ,proably others more worthy,any way .
    1Langford
    2Jackson
    3Jeanette
    4 Mcvey
    5 Choynsky
    6Wills
    7Godfrey
    8Gains
    9Smith
    10 McCarty
     
  8. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never to fight for the title?
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    1. Sam Langford
    2. Harry Wills
    3. Elmer Ray
    4. Joe Jeanette
    5. Sam McVey
    6. Peter Jackson
    7. Jimmy Bivins
    8. Harold Johnson
    9. Jimmy Bivins
    10. Ike Ibeabuchi
     
  9. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Peter Jackson
    Sam Langford
    Sam McVey
    Joe Jeannette
    Harry Wills

    Teofilo Stevenson
    Felix Savon
    Roberto Balado
     
  10. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    Can a case be made for Nino Valdez?
     
  11. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sure. Not a wildly strong one, but a case. He had a win over Ezzard Charles and occupied the #1 contender position on and off during 1953-1955.
     
  12. Calroid

    Calroid Active Member Full Member

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    The best heavyweight to never win a title bout: Ken Norton
     
  13. Melbourneborn

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    Another one to think about - Ibeabuchi.
     
  14. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing

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    Horace notice , David Haye , Mitch Green .....
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Peter Jackson - It's hard to find someone from that era who doesn't crow about Jackson as the greatest fighter they'd ever seen - and we include here some guys that saw Sullivan, Corbett etc. - or at least the greatest fighter of the era. If he wasn't the #1 HW ever to fight for the title, he was the guy with the best chance to have lifted the title, had he got to fight for it.

    2 - Harry Wills - Great fighter in his own right I think the chances of Dempsey beating him are greatle exaggerated by many, I see it as close to a 50/50 fight. At the very least, let's a gree that Wills is better than Firpo. May have fought better comp than any other guy that didn't fight for the HW title.

    3 - Sam Langford - You can't be sure that he would have beaten all the guys i'm going to list below him consistantly - he couldn't do so with Wills, who is above him - but Langford could have a fight with anybody in history without getting outclassed in my view, Tyson, Lewis, Liston, whoever, so a top three spot doesn't seem unreasonable, even on a HW list...Langford could have beaten Burns, would have beaten Johnson post-Jeffries, for me, and even past his peak would have been little less than 50/50 v the massive Willard (who I favour slightly).

    4 - Sam Mcvey - McVey has my respect as a fighter, sounds like a cracking puncher with incredible endurance. He would trouble anyone in history. But maybe the guy he would trouble least, maybe, would have been Johnson. Maybe Sam could have got him once Jack went soft, but I wouldn'g bet on it.

    5 - Joe Jeanette - I have Jeanette below McVey because I think his style would be more troubling generally in a head to head sense. Another one that Johnson would have kept out in my opinion.

    6 - Ike Ibeabuchi - Probably generally underated on the classic board. Had some serious firepower, a great chin and a high punch output. He had the lot really. Would trouble the guys above him on this list as much as the guys below him. Would trouble the guys on your top ten all time list, never mind your denied titlist list.

    7 - Joe Choynski - Did Choynski never fight for the title? How can this be true he fought everybody...well if it's true, he belongs on this list! Sounds like an all time puncher.

    8 - Peter Maher - Speaking of all time punchers, this guy seems to be this hardest hitter that everybody - and I do mean everybody - fought during that era. Do you consider that he fought for the title? He had that fight for the title that Corbett "put up" which Maher himself denounced, then he had the fight with Fitz, but surely the title didn't really change hands until Fitz bested Corbett, which comes later? Here's another one that saw Jackson as the best he ever saw.

    9 - Teofilo Stevenson - Ok, he's an amatuer, and nobody really knows. I can't really see him lifting the title in the 70's and I have only seen snippets of footage, so this is mostly a guess. Nine is just an arbitary slot.

    10 - Thad Spencer! - OK, he was exposed, but in a weaker era, say post Dempsey pre-Louis, or 80's I bet he would have had a punt at the title and today he would have held a belt in my opinion.