The top 10 P4P: 1995-Present

Any bias you would attribute to Americans, would be equally attributed to Europeans, whether it be because of delusion or simple retaliation against Americans.

 

Your points on your own opinion of Hatton are clear enough, so I guess it's OK for me to give my views on some of Jones's opponents.

Please what? Certainly better than any win of Jones's that you refused to mention. DLH was certainly in better shape than McCallum. Virgill Hill is the only win that can compare to any of Floyd's, that and Ruiz I guess, but I'll get to that. Hill wasn't in his prime either.

Yeah, Jones's wins over Glen Kelly, Lou Del Valle(whom he was also KD'd against), Richard Frazier(the cop), old Reggie Johnson, and fighters of that nature aren't any more impressive than even the worst of Floyd's wins.

Roy's best wins after 95: McCallum(blown up, past prime JMW), Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, Clinton Woods, John Ruiz, Antonio Tarver

Floyd's best wins: Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo X2, Zab Judah, De La Hoya(past prime), Hatton

If you're going to pick apart his wins over Oscar and Hatton, I'll do the same for Roy's wins over a past his prime, blown up McCallum, the worst HW champ of all time John Ruiz, and a past his prime Virgill Hill.

Don't act like Roy faced great competition if you're gonna try to take apart Floyd's resume. Floyd was supposed to beat all of his opposition, just as Jones was. If you wanna say you rate Jones ahead on ability, that's fine, so do I. But on resume after 95? Not really.

 

Don't get me onto bloody Europeans mate.

 

I'm not even taking apart Floyd's resume, I am just putting some realisation on why that cherry picking **** chose DLH and Hatton, two very unimpressive wins. If I was taking either of them apart, or trying to, I would have really dug into those two wins as well as his entire resume, but that is not the goal.

I didn't say his resume was not good, I said it was grossly overrated.

Furthermore, ranking a lesser fighter over a better fighter is just wrong all around, regardless of the 'percieved' quality wins.

 

Either way....Calzaghe fans are far from sane. No more sane than anyone else anyways.

 

But Roy Jones better than Floyd by miles?

 

You already know I disagree with someone ranking Mayweather over Jones.

 

OK, bottom line is, Roy Jones could be considered a cherry picker in his prime just like Floyd is now, but based on his impressive wins over Toney and Hopkins, everyone knew what he was capable of, but he didn't show it much against the best comp he could've after those wins.

Roy's prime comprised of a lot of bums as well, with some good fighters thrown in, just like Floyd's has been over the past few years. Roy's big edge over Floyd are his wins prior to 1995, but that isn't what the poll is about.

 

What would Mayweather have to do for this to change?

 

I actually Jones big edge over Mayweather is dominance. And later in his career, he completely obliterated a division in which he was the smaller man. Sure he let one guy get away, but I think that matters a bit.

 

Roy consistently showed more than Floyd in ability, rarely dropping rounds at his best. Roy showed what he was capable of prior to even beating Toney and Hopkins, if anybody were to have paid attention.

A cherry picker? Not at all, not like Floyd. Roy may have dodged the prospect of a few things, but he would not have blatantly ducked people like Floyd has and will continue to do.

Imagine this, a 147 version of Jones, vs. Hatton. Think it goes 10 rounds?:yep

DLH(now) and Hatton are guys the p4p # 1 ought to be tearing to pieces, making it look easy as hell, instead, we get these problems.

 

Up his resume to compensate for the gap in overall fighting ability in their primes. He would need to beat Cotto and soundly, and perhaps even beat Williiams. Jones rarely lost rounds until he was 34, even against other champions. At the very least, Mayweather had competitive fights, with Castillo perhaps beating him in alot of people's estimation. You will not find that on Jones record. Jones was simply dominant in a fashion that no one else has achieved in recent memory. (Whitaker was like this at 135....)

 

You forget Mayweather's dominance at 130 I think, arguably the best fighter to ever fight in that division. After that, he wasn't as impressive or dominant in his biggest fights, but he still managed to beat bigger, better opposition.

On ability, I rate Jones ahead, as I have said, but on Jones's resume post 95 compared to Mayweather's entire career resume, I give the edge to Floyd. Overall, edge to Jones.

 

Yes, this is what I meant, dominance, rarely dropping rounds against guys. It's not like these guys were bums, plenty of them were solid to good fighters(about what Floyd's been beating lately).

 

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