The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

I do sympathise, really, but those exceptional wins just aren't clawing back those 25 odd losses and the one round clipping by Singer really hurt him for me. I'd re-intrudce him before Jack, personally.

 

That can't be a difference maker in the light of Joyce's domination of the Ike Williams series. He also picked Armstrong off twice.

 

When you come back, talk to me about LaMotta's low ranking and O'Brien's high one.

 

I can prop up LaMotta based upon the title run and the Robinson win; I know that. But what's real?

Lewis's placement does look kind of disgusting, but he beat everyone he fought and the longevity is ****ed up if you count from Mason. I could drop him, no doubt. If I did, it would have the three amigos in a row which would be beautiful.

O'Brien, again, can be propped up by Johnson and by his domination of Twin Sullivan. But he tended to be second best against the best. It's an excellent record but all that **** with Burns makes me wonder about him. He may be the only proven dirty fighter on the list aside from LaMotta.

 

84 – Jake LaMotta
85 – Larry Holmes
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Juan Manuel Marquez
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Lennox Lewis
91 – Fritzie Zivic
92 - Kid Berg
93 - James Toney
94 - Pete Herman
95 - Joe Frazier
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - Nico Locche
98 - Willie Joyce
99 - Jung-Koo Chang
100- Mike Tyson

 

01 – Sam Langford
02 – Harry Greb
03 – Sugar Ray Robinson
04 – Henry Armstrong
05 – Bob Fitzsimmons
06 – Ezzard Charles
07 – Benny Leonard
08 – Muhammad Ali
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09 – Willie Pep
10 – Joe Louis
11 – Roberto Duran
12 – Joe Gans
13 – Packey McFarland
14 – Archie Moore
15 – Sugar Ray Leonard
16 – Mickey Walker
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17 – Barney Ross
18 – Terry McGovern
19 – Tony Canzoneri
20 – Pernell Whitaker
21 – Charley Burley
22 – Holman Williams
23 – Jimmy McLarnin
24 – Sandy Saddler
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25 - George Dixon
26 - Barbados Joe Walcott
27 - Stanley Ketchel
28 - Billy Conn
29 - Kid Gavilan
30 -Roy Jones
31- Gene Tunney
32 - Tommy Gibbons
33 - Tommy Loughran
34 – Jack Britton
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35 – Eder Jofre
36 – Jose Napoles
37 – Carlos Monzon
38 – Jimmy Bivins
39 – Marvin Hagler
40 – Tommy Ryan
41 – Emile Griffith
42 –Alexis Arguello
43 – Julio Cesar Chavez
44 – Jimmy Wilde
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45 – Ike Williams
46 – Ruben Olivares
47 – Fighting Harada
48 – Carlos Ortiz
49 – Michael Spinks
50 – Young Corbett
51 – Thomas Hearns
52 - Floyd Mayweather
53 - Manny Pacquiao
54 – Evander Holyfield
55 – Freddie Steele
56 – Abe Attell
57 – Mike Gibbons
58 - Bernard Hopkins
59 - Ted Kid Lewis
60 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
61 - Salvador Sanchez
62 - Wilfredo Gomez
63 - Vicente Saldivar
64 - Rocky Marciano
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65 - Lou Ambers
66 - Freddie Welsh
67 - Jim Driscoll
68 - Dick Tiger
69 - Harold Johnson
70 - Carmen Bassilio
71 - Carlos Zarate
72 - Manuel Ortiz
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Jack Dempsey (np)
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75 - Lloyd Marshall
76 - Oscar De La Hoya
77 - Azumah Nelson
78 - Mike McCallum
79 - Bob Foster
80 - Pascual Perez
81 - Panama Al Brown
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82 - Teddy Yarosz
83 - Young Griffo
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Getting icky now, even with the tiers which are slowly coming apart the further away we get from the gravity produced by Langford, Greb, Robinson and Armstrong.

This is all up for grabs:

84 – Jake LaMotta
85 – Larry Holmes
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Juan Manuel Marquez
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Lennox Lewis
91 – Fritzie Zivic
92 - Kid Berg
93 - James Toney
94 - Pete Herman
95 - Joe Frazier
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - Nico Locche
98 - Willie Joyce
99 - Jung-Koo Chang
100- George Foreman

 

Man, i'm starting to like Young Griffo there in a sick way.

 

Why on earth not? He's in my top 10 at hw and he's generally just behind Joe Frazier who broke the list. His inclusion is entirely consistent based upon his period of total dominance and just how far behind Frazier do you feel he should be?

I'm actually toying with taking him out for Foreman as we speak, Tyson may have jumped the que a bit that regard, but I don't think it looks "what the ****" worthy at all.

 

01 – Sam Langford
02 – Harry Greb
03 – Sugar Ray Robinson
04 – Henry Armstrong
05 – Bob Fitzsimmons
06 – Ezzard Charles
07 – Benny Leonard
08 – Muhammad Ali
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09 – Willie Pep
10 – Joe Louis
11 – Roberto Duran
12 – Joe Gans
13 – Packey McFarland
14 – Archie Moore
15 – Sugar Ray Leonard
16 – Mickey Walker
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17 – Barney Ross
18 – Terry McGovern
19 – Tony Canzoneri
20 – Pernell Whitaker
21 – Charley Burley
22 – Holman Williams
23 – Jimmy McLarnin
24 – Sandy Saddler
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25 - George Dixon
26 - Barbados Joe Walcott
27 - Stanley Ketchel
28 - Billy Conn
29 - Kid Gavilan
30 -Roy Jones
31- Gene Tunney
32 - Tommy Gibbons
33 - Tommy Loughran
34 – Jack Britton
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35 – Eder Jofre
36 – Jose Napoles
37 – Carlos Monzon
38 – Jimmy Bivins
39 – Marvin Hagler
40 – Tommy Ryan
41 – Emile Griffith
42 –Alexis Arguello
43 – Julio Cesar Chavez
44 – Jimmy Wilde
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45 – Ike Williams
46 – Ruben Olivares
47 – Fighting Harada
48 – Carlos Ortiz
49 – Michael Spinks
50 – Young Corbett
51 – Thomas Hearns
52 - Floyd Mayweather
53 - Manny Pacquiao
54 – Evander Holyfield
55 – Freddie Steele
56 – Abe Attell
57 – Mike Gibbons
58 - Bernard Hopkins
59 - Ted Kid Lewis
60 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
61 - Salvador Sanchez
62 - Wilfredo Gomez
63 - Vicente Saldivar
64 - Rocky Marciano
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65 - Lou Ambers
66 - Freddie Welsh
67 - Jim Driscoll
68 - Dick Tiger
69 - Harold Johnson
70 - Carmen Bassilio
71 - Carlos Zarate
72 - Manuel Ortiz
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Jack Dempsey (np)
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75 - Lloyd Marshall
76 - Oscar De La Hoya
77 - Azumah Nelson
78 - Mike McCallum
79 - Bob Foster
80 - Pascual Perez
81 - Panama Al Brown
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82 - Teddy Yarosz
83 - Young Griffo
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This is all up for grabs:

84 – Jake LaMotta
85 – Larry Holmes
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Juan Manuel Marquez
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Lennox Lewis
91 – Fritzie Zivic
92 - Kid Berg
93 - James Toney
94 - Pete Herman
95 - Joe Frazier
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - Nico Locche
98 - Willie Joyce
99 - Jung-Koo Chang
100- George Foreman

 

I was looking at Frazier's ranking and thinking exactly that...but the main thing for me is that I just can't get him taking a knee in the corner after winning back the title out of my head. Never did "two-times champion" mean more.

He's in for the monumental achievment.