The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    ****ing *******.

    I hadn't been in here for a while and was just slowly scrolling down, admiring the old Jofre pic, then i saw Lynch and thought YAS, he's changed his mind.

    It was for ****ing Jimmy Wilde.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's as close as he'll get, on the sidelines, watching the bigger boys :-(
     
  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    True, but he would've kicked the **** out of Wilde.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What makes you say that?
     
  6. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilde looks like garbage on film. Lynch looks like the type of guy who'd be damn near impossible to master at his best.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Mother****er might look like a pumpkin pie on stilts, some of his better wins make Lynch look like a looming shadow. He's a weird fighter, but he looks ****ing fast. ****ing fast plus p4p punching power is equal to a live threat.

    I'm not sure how Benny Lynch goes against Joe Lynch and Moore. I think without Pete Herman, Lynch defines that bantamweight era.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    We know he had the chin to withstand Wilde's hammer blows. On film, he looks better. And, even a portly elder Wilde isn't as big as a prime Benny.

    Not that size bothered Wilde of course, but Lynch at his best is a better fighter than anyone Wilde beat, including his American namesake.

    Would be a great fight but for me Lynch is so impressive on film that I think he is the safer bet considering the kinda' fight it will be. He will be led into traps and get jolted around, but he will force his fight on Wilde. Of course, for a monster Lynch was no Moon-type himself, and whilst Wilde was the bigger puncher Lynch could dig as well and seems to have more output.

    Of course I an taking into account everything about the Wilde footage. Lee I: he was sick. Villa: well past his best, although a brilliant gauge of his style if you add in a bit of hypothetical deduction.

    Symonds is the best footage we've got of Wilde in his prime. I might be wrong but I think that's him regaining the title (although there's not much of it on YouTube, is the finish out there too? I'll find out, it might blow my mind if it is) but I'm not really sold on Lee and Symonds as being that good.

    The Lynch of Kane I just looks incredible.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Unless you're Warnock but reading about him and watching Wilde there's no comparison to be made.

    Ultimately, with a few exceptions I don't favour many of the pre-Walker era guys that highly as a H2H force after seeing them on film, maybe some of them in certain matchups.

    Wilde's style looks more of that time.

    If we were talking about Pancho Villa then it's a whole different story. And as I said before, I can see from that footage was a very good fighter. But I don't think he has any stylistic advantages against Lynch and I don't think he looks as good.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Gene Tunney said Wilde was better than Benny Leonard; I know you have to take everything these guys say with a pinch but given what he did on paper, that is a ****ed up thing to have said about you. If it were happening tomorrow, based upon what I know, I would pick Lynch BUT, I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong; because Wilde is the better puncher; Wilde has the better signature wins; Wilde's reputation era on era was far in excess of Lynch's.
     
  11. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the argument that lynch loss better on film, while reasonable isn't necessarily persuasive. Otherwise Carlos Monzon might have never won a fight.
     
  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Entertaining thread. Good stuff McGrain. :good
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's it. That's your contribution. I'm gutted tbh, I thought you'd be in about this from the start lending your eyes!

    Still, we got by without you not too bad.
     
  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hehe sorry mate, I was too lazy to get embroiled and start offering my suggestions, just wanted to see how it would evolve without my input.

    It's come along nicely. It's made me think about my list as well and some names on it that I may have underplayer/overplayed.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Okay I'll be a bit more clear about where I stand, it won't be popular but I'm obviously being too polite: Wilde's era was **** compared to what came after. Jack Johnson was ****, Packey McFarland and Welsh look abysmal, Ketchel looks horrific, Corbett and Fitz downright gawky. Nelson and Wolgast look poor. (Langford looks incredible, Gans shows some lovely flourishes)

    The images do not match up to the words.

    I know the gloves and ruleset dictated the styles.

    I'm not disrespecting these guys just not assuming they were amazing because their contemporaries hadn't seen anything better. Tunney was probably acting highbrow when he picked Wilde. For me I rank them 'as per their era', but in terms of head to head, as I've said already, I'm not confident picking the more archaic stylists.