The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

I think of it as pretty suspect and treat it as such.

Where did you get 10-5 from?

 

Yeah; i definitely can't prove it definitively. But I have "Brooklyn" Jimmy Carroll fighting Walcott that year and a Brooklyn Jimmy Carroll in the lists, active that year. I know it sure as **** wasn't the Jimmy Carroll Boxrec claims; could it be this third Carroll? I've no idea because I know nothing about him. He's NOT a Brooklyn based fighter though?

 

My impression is of a fight where Lavigne got ****ing busted to ****, his ear hanging off all that because he went to war with a better puncher. The rbr's that i've seen tend to indicate that Walcott is doing the damage but that he's not necessarily out-landing Lavigne.

More, in a fight where a guy sucks up punishment and then comes on to finish the stronger, that guy can get the ****ing nod in this era, never mind get himself a draw.

Finally, Lavigne boxed to a plan - set a fast pace, push him late, don't get ktfo - that was based upon the ruleset the two managers had negotiated.

I think the fight stinks, but I don't get your 10-5 impression. However, you might be quite right tbh. I think if I was scoring it, based upon my impressio6n of the fight, 9-6 might be what my card says. But. Things were done differently then.

I was curious more than anything else as to if you had a source.

 

He only dropped two spots. I enjoyed writing him up he's such a little rat-******.

 

With Saddler, this process begins in round one; every fight he ever fought in, no exceptions. Even when he was losing, he was working on this equation:

"In the rematch, Pep found his range and put up a brilliant foraging fight against a blank-faced Saddler, waiting to take advantage of every single mistake. And, despite the loss, he did that. Pep won clean but his face at the finish was anything but, some of the same cuts that adorned his face after their first fight adorning him once more."

At 8,000 meters, the body starts to break down due to the extreme altitude. There's nothing to be done about it, it's just the way it is. It's not something you can acclimatise to and only PED's make any kind of lengthy stay possible. Fighting Saddler is the same. As I put it:

"Saddler’s overall offense, the knotted branch of his summary attack, was too much."

It was too much for Elorde, certainly.

In the strictest sense, all fighters from Calzaghe to Louis are "breaking their opponents down" but that is not what I mean. I mean he is using his prescribing a very personal cure, one that looks like this:

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He's being leaned on, forearmed, manhandled, butted, wrestled, and he's specifically targetting the left eye with cuffs, laces and blows. Yeah, he's being broken down. Unquestionably broken down; Saddler boxed him until he was able to force him to match physicalities at which point he broke his opponent's physicality. That goes only one way if it's a 20 round fight, and it's as clear as day... unfortunately for Elorde his physical resistance broke down before he even reached the fifteenth.

 

“Dude gots me up in a thugged-out double arm-lock,” sulked Pep afta his ninth round quittage wit a apparently damaged shoulder. Shiiit, dis aint no joke. Right back up in yo mutha****in ass. Saddla saw it differently.

“Body punches. I could peep up in his wild lil' ****in eyes suttin' was wack wit his ass but I didn’t be thinkin it was no shoulder.”