The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I agree that Ross and Walker should be above Leonard.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    McG, what do you make of walcott's apparent quit jobs, genuine hand injuries or something else?

    It seems that all his stoppage losses are either body shots or him quitting.
     
  3. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As do I

    For me and I know it is not a popular view the hagler win while impressive is not amazing hagler was not active really himself and had declined which is why leonard decided to chance his arm
     
  4. anj

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    Ray Leonard is probably no.2 all time in terms of H2H ability however, and his top wins are Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Benitez - these are monsters that are better than Barney's competition on a H2H level. The thing is, the four I mentioned above all fought occasionally, so were in better condition.
    Apart from Kalule, the rest of Ray Leonard's fights do not define him anywhere near this does.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Fighting occasionally does not mean you are 'in better condition' that's spurious and the opposite may be true.

    McLarnin sparked YCIII inside a round and tore through many weights. Not sure how he isn't a top 'H2H fighter'.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    Mclarnin was a beast h2h. I sometimes consider him the best of those 3 in that regard. Sensational fighter.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :good
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm excited to get to it...


    ...thanks for the thoughtful post the_bigunit.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Something else my friend. Something else...
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hmmm, I don't know how McLarnin can be the best of them when he was clearly 2nd place in terms of their 3-way tournie but is also the bigger man? I mean even in literal terms I think Ross proved himself the best h2h, but p4p? I make him third.

    I agree that he is a top h2h fighter though, just third best of these three.
     
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  11. anj

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    Hearns Tangent: Do you see McLarnin or even Ross beating someone like Hearns? I don't think I could. McLarnin's style in particular would land him in the **** against Hearns lol same for Ross too. None of the great four McLarnin, Canzoneri, Ross and Ambers had the punching power either.
    Hearns beats people like Napoles, Whitaker, Duran etc.

    Nevertheless, you both raise the points of McLarnin being a H2H brute also.

    The reason why we give RJJ a high ranking is because his H2H ability...the names of his resume are pretty embarrassing for someone around 30th.

    It all depends how much importance you want to give to the H2H side of things.

    Does Ross have better opposition OVERALL? Yes certainly. I would rather have Leonard's resume however. He beat fighters who were masters in their styles, from rangey KO artists to pressure fighters, to a top 5 defensive fighter etc. + however much love we give to Duran, it's obvious that Duran at Montreal is the best Duran could have ever done against Leonard and that it's the worst that Leonard could have done against Duran...Leonard had a Bradley-Provodnikov moment in that fight, not even fighting his usual fight.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Just to clarify I think McLarnin is bottom of the 3 as well, I was referring to Anj's post about Ross not beating any welters on the H2H level that Ray did.

    Anj, your post comparing Duran-Leonard I to Bradley-Provodnikov is truly abysmal mate. You are treading over ground we have been covering on here for years.

    Did Leonard stand flat footed? Or did Duran'd feints in the 2nd round put Ray in a position where, as he had to against Hearns and Kalule, make an adjustment? An adjustment he couldn't make on the night because of the style he had in front of him.

    Also, who would be a favourite to beat Hearns at welter? Either way, comparing Canzoneri and McLarnin, who came up from fly/bantam is ludicrous.

    You would think McLarnin has an awful style going in against Hearns. But so have most welters going up against a man who eventually proved himself the best light heavy around on a certain day.

    Even Leonard, who was extremely lucky to get a draw against Tommy second time round.

    Compare what each man actually did, not what they'd do against each others opposition.

    Also, going back to Bradley-Provodnikov. 6th round I think; Bradleh is doing what he's good at. Still gets clipped and badly hurt. Why? Because he's letting his opponent hit him? No, because he wasn't good enough at what he was trying to do.
     
  13. anj

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    Good response. I've seen Montreal twice, Sept being the last time..just got the impression that Leonard was not fighting his own fight.

    The ones I think of kinda proves your point as they're big welters anyway, i.e SRR and maybe Griffith. However McLarnin really came into his own as he progressed in weight. Hearns-SRL 2 gives testament to how great Hearns really was, you just can't outbox the guy. In fairness to SRL, he wasn't the SRL of before. Hearns went on to be a top light heavy champ.

    Ross and SRL both had it the similar way generally, taken right to the end with their top opponents..with Ross's last fight with McLarnin being extremely close. Canzoneri-Ross 1 = This was arguably a victory for Canzoneri.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Any other suggestions gents?
     
  15. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Uh... Gans over Duran?