The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    What about Graham? Not terribly familiar with the guy myself, but I remember Sweet_Scientist being high on him...





    ....not that he's contributing to the thread or anything. :bart
     
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  2. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A few suggestions:

    - Jack McAuliffe
    - Georges Carpentier
    - Maxie Rosenbloom
    - Johnny Kilbane
    - Jackie Brown
    - Baby Arizmendi
    - Maybe Eugene Criqui?
     
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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I actually thought i'd included him, in tier I, so good catch, I think he's 110ish fo sho.

    Man...i really thought i'd put him in after you suggested him, too....i'm losing it boys...losing it...
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tier I
    Kid McCoy, Beau Jack, Tiger Flowers, Eddie Booker, Jeff Smith, Pancho Villa, Sammy Mandell, Kid Chocolate, Johnny Dundee, Sammy Agnott, Billy Graham.

    Tier II
    Bob Montgomery, Jeff Fenech, Eusebio Pedroza, Nino Benvenuti, Joe Calzaghe, Ad Wolgast, Midget Wolgast, Billy Petrolle, Ernesto Marcel

    Tier III
    Aaron Pryor, Mike Tyson, Antonio Cervantes, Joe Brown, Duilio Loi, Marcel Cerdan, Battling Battalino, Fidel LaBarbara, Sammy Fuller.

    TIER IV
    Bud Taylor, Frankie Genaro, Flash Elorde, Battling Nelson, Freddie Miller, Les Darcy, Joe Lynch, Sonny Liston, Maxie Rosenbloom.

    TIER V
    Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Barry.

    Holding
    K Galaxy, Sixto Escobar, Willie Joyce, Brian Mitchell, Felix Trinidad, Yuri Arbachakov, Kostya Tszyu, Cocoa Kid, Gilberto Roman.



    Is Old Bones too high?
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    My detailed look at him has me thinking 150-200 rather than 150.

    Can't be far behind slapsie.

    In.

    I had him in the hundred if you remember, but a detailed look at his record left me deeply disappointed. Like when I went to pre-write him, I was all "no."

    I need to be careful not to go too far the other way, so, noted.
    Personally I'm not feeling it. If you wanted to convince me you'd need to make a detailed case for him in relation to someone in holding (or above). Hold that thought though, because who knows how far we go.
     
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  7. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pryor and Tyson in the same tier is about right who out of the two should be higher . To be honest I feel it's so tight to argue to strongly either way if I had to I would go for Pryor to sneak just above Tyson .

    Should calzaghe be above them both I am not to sure but again that may be being a bit disappointed with the standard of some of Calzaghe's opponents perhaps I am nit picking a bit



    You changed his tier . I was a page it two behind
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Let's leave the inter-tier **** for later - any input you have on the fighters and how you think they should relate tier on tier, i'd be grateful for that.
     
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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Hey, it's all rectified. :grouphug I'm fine with Brown where he is. Where is numbered though in the tier is where it may get interesting. Helluva LW
     
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  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Wongjongkam doesn't belong.

    Most of these guys are being picked because they fought in good era's against good fighters and picked up lots of good wins.

    he's the opposite of that.
     
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  11. the cobra

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    Flea's Calzaghe-Loi comparison was an interesting one. I'd have the Italian in over quite a few of the guys in holding.
     
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  12. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your trying to confuse me you have Calzaghe in two tiers
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I believe i'm right in saying that he's the lowest on this list of any of the flyweights who made ESB's flyweight top ten...he has twenty-some defences and was extremely dominant over middling competition. If you and flea are both calling for his head, I will look again, but i do put the brakes on when you are talking about anything post 1999...

    ... performances like Kameda and Tunacao were excellent and electric respectively, against good opposition, and they were a decade apart.



    Yes.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Let's take him out of one and put Loi in instead!
     
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  15. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very fair:good
     
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