The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure. Tougher comp and all that. I think contemporaries were much more impressed by Cerdan though.

    I feel very strongly that Lopez and Calzaghe are interchangeable.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well don't say it like that.
     
  3. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    No.
     
  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes we get it man. Puerto Rico over Scotland, like Mexico over Puerto Rico. Does that makes Ireland Mexico I guess, in this analogy, being better than Scotland in every way. And England is the USA and Wales is Canada?
     
  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Yeah, they should be very close. DeJesus' win resume outside of Duran isn't terribly impressive, but it's solid enough. He also clearly passes the eye test. Great fighter to watch operate when at his best.

    Thing is, when you look at his losses, he's got 1 very early to former and soon to be featherweight champ Antonio Gomez (practically in Gomez' backyard), and one very late to Saol Mamby at 140 (this being his final fight). In between those two he's got a span of just under a decade where only two men ever bested him. One was perhaps the BEST Lightweight of all time and the guy in at #10 on this list. The other was the considerably bigger and excellent Cervantes, who's in a tier for this expansion already. That's it. Those are the two guys who beat DeJesus in his prime - one was bigger, and the other he has a win against.

    The only man to beat Duran below Welterweight. That's big.


    You calm down, Flea.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    No. Because Ohba>Dejesus
     
  7. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McGrains list just confirms it. We all knew that going in though.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    No.

    Great analysis by the way. But Buchanan passes the eye test more.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What about ****ing Lou Bogash?
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I think Buchanan might look better, but all he got from Duran is a beating. No win.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Bogash sounds like a horrible *******. He was short at 5'5 even for a welterweight, but that didn't stop him forcing his way all the way up to 175 although obviously he was less successful there.

    Bogash lost 19 times, including back to back losses to Tiger Flowers (over whom who holds a win, by DQ) whom he was able to batter about the ring and drop even at light-heavyweight and was described, even for his times, as "rugged" and seemed expert at absorbing punishment...the "Spaghetti Mauler" seemed built for this sort of thing though, living to a ripe age and pursuing a career as a referee after his retirement. Also, the man has 109 wins to temper these defeats, including victories over Mickey Walker, Jock Malone, Frank Moody, Solider Bartfield (he broke Bartfield's arm during the fight!) and was State lightweight champion at 17.

    He also seems to have been unlucky in his biggest fights, with controversy surrounding his draw with Jack Britton for the world welterweight title (Jack refused to rematch him) and even his loss against Harry Greb, with the New York times scoring the fight for the tough Italian (though most other peroidicals plumped for Harry). Bogash employed a savage body attack in that fight and this seems to have been a part of his MO, to go with a swarming pressure style. Extracts from the NYT fight report on his draw with Solider Bartfield (who he also stopped in 3 with that broken arm!):

    "In the 8th, a right to the jaw made Bartfield shakey, and Bogash...Pressing his rival to the ropes...piled on a stinging two-fisted assault and for a time, Bartfield gave the impression of crumbling under the assualt. In the ninth he countinued his attack, but the expereinced Bartfield was wary, and avoided many of his opponents attacks. In the 9th the two were so involved with their slugging that neither heard the bell and the two continued slugging after the bell.

    The weights were Bartfield 147 1/2, Bogash 140."

    And a snippet from the NYT's coverage on the Britton draw:

    "The decision was given by Harry Stout [, the referee]. The announcement did not meet with favour with many of the large crowd present, and shouts of disaproval marked the wind up of [the fight]. Sporting writers at ringside were of the opinion that Britton had the advantage in but one round, the 11th, and that Bogash out-boxed Britton in many of the other rounds."

    A robbery then?


    Often giving away weight, he seems near impossible to stop, feared of nobody and in search of the hardest, biggest fights. It seems he was perhaps deserving of the WW crown of the world, and if not, definitely another chance to land it.

    The man is not in the IBHOF.

    Thoughts?
     
  12. Flea Man

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    And so did DeJesus over the championship distance.

    Buchanan has two wins over a Laguna who looked absolutely superb not long before against Mando Ramos.
     
  13. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he's dead but he looks sexy in the pics i'm seeing. Im game...
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Also, Walter McGowan's Dad.
     
  15. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wait...What?

    150!?!?

    Dammmmmmnnnn.....

    LaBarba's making the top 150 for sure, dammit! :bart

    (So is Pedorza and Arizmendi)