The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Yeah guys in here really influenced me. I rated Dempsey #10 (and even I thought that was kinda low for his mystique) and I got torn apart for it :-( So now I tread carefully on anything Dempsey.

Grandpa always said "Dempsey was alright but Louis and Clay would whup him" :smoke

 

This was gold and stage 2 and 4 are pretty much my highschool boxing years.

Then I was like....he never fought Greb? why would he be scared of a MW ?(this was before I believed in triangle theories or sparring stores ) Why was he drawing the colour line!? He was racist too!?


Top 20 :twisted:

 

It's possible. Did he just take lessons? It'd help for leverage for sure. I used to wrestle and box during the same session at times if there was a class happening.

 

I don't blame him if he did. Wrestling is hard ****ing work. Mom said she was actually more worried/tensed up during wrestling matches than she was during my boxing bouts.

 

I have read he was a black belt, but the legitimacy of this, or rather whether it was an 'honourary' black belt after some training due to him being, ya' know, Jack ****in' Dempsey, is what I can't gauge.

I do know that Dempsey liked his Judo and that there was serious talks about a mixed rules bout with Ed 'Strangler' Lewis.

 

Jack Dempsey is criminally underrated on here.
I rate him much higher than I used to.
Twenty years ago I would have put him behind Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott among heavyweight champions.

 

love it. not sure where i fit in. don't like dempsey, never have. ****, i think i'm stuck in staqe 4 with seamus

 

I'm on stage 5; wouldn't beat many modern sized heavyweights and missed two of the best heavyweights during his title reign. Still has wins over bigger guys and intelligent stylists, and was clearly an animal with some nous. Not a top ten heavyweight but still a great one. Not one of the very, very greatest boxers of all time but with some wins over those considered as such, still a great example of one.

Anyway, definitely above Wonjongkam.

 

I can't really relate to those stages.
My rating of Dempsey has mostly increased.
I'll be honest, for years I knew jack **** about his opposition. Before the days of the internet. I had loads of books and some magazines, and some videos, but hadn't absorbed enough about Dempsey. Maybe I started on stage 4 and come full circle ?!

Honestly, Dempsey was great y'know.

 

I do miss Floyd Patterson on this list.

He wasn't that great as a heavy but his dimensions are as big as Carl Froch.
So p4p his achievements are rather high.
He didn't even look bigger than Archie Moore

Also his haircut should get him some extra points

 

I have a somewhat different take on it. Our top ten are strikingly similar. Leaving Jones out to me would be criminal and Hagler tho not perfect, was as close to perfect as you'll ever get. Only the loss to SRL has tarnished his ranking, but not by much

Cuevas also got onto the list on account of his George Foreman like reign at 147, the most successful since Napoles. Zarate was kicked out, so was Chavez due to his dismal showing vs DLH, while DLH made it in. Mike Tyson, an 80s icon was of course included. It would be criminal to leave this man out

Monzon & Tunney made a well deserved top 20 due to their long, almost impossible winning streaks

Bob Foster like Cuevas with his ability to devastate opponents, was elevated, while Pac was thrown out. Gomez, also thrown out. Burley, dropped dramatically

Benny leonard of course, what can we say? greatest lightweight ever - top 10 easy and will never ever leave. Talk about achievers.

Whitaker was dropped down to a position better suited for him

while McGovern was good enough to just to complete the top 10. Greatest Feather ever

Ali, while great, was too low on power, not the complete fighter his successor, SRL was. Had to be dropped tho I will say Ali was the Greatest when it came to interviews


01 - S. Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Marvin Hagler
05 - Jack Johnson
06 - Benny Leonard
07 - Joe Gans
08 - Jim Jeffries
09 - Roy Jones
10 - Terry McGovern
11 - Fitzsimmons
12 - Gene Tunney
13 - W. Pep
14 - Ted Kid Lewis
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Carlos Monzon
17 - Roberto Duran
18 - Joe Louis
19 - Gene Tunney
20 - Arguello
21 - Napoles
22 - Armstrong
23 - Ali
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Ezzard Charles
26 - Abe Attell
27 - Jimmy Wilde
28 - Panama Al Brown
29 - Peter Jackson
30 - M. Walker
31 - Jack Dillon
32 - George Foreman
33 - Bob Foster
34 - Jimmy McLarnin
35 - Dick Tiger
36 - Rocky Marciano
37 - Tommy Loughran
38 - Barney Ross
39 - Eder Jofre
40 - Emile Griffith
41 - Luis Rodriguez
42 - Pipino Cuevas
43 - Aaron Pryor
44 - Jack Dempsey
45 - Salvador Sanchez
46 - Mike Spinks
47 - Ruben Olivares
48 - Sandy Saddler
49 - Terry Norris
50 - Ko Kid
51 - Ray Leonard
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Rodrigo Valdez
54 - Floyd Mayweather
55 - Hector Camacho
56 - Riddick Bowe
57 - Jimmy Young
58 – Charley Burley
59 - Pernel Whitaker
60 - Miguel Canto
61 - Thomas Hearns
62 - S. Kalambay
63 - Oscar De La Hoya
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Mike Tyson
66 - Kid Gavilan
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Larry Holmes
69 - Bernard Hopkins
70 - Don Curry
71 - Joe Frazier
72 - Niccolino Locche
73 - Micheal Nunn
74 - Mike McCallum
75 - Evander Holyfield


I think a top 75 is enough fighters. I didnt really like including Holyfield. IMO Nunn is the much stylistically superior fighter

 

That list isn't any good, man. It seems you have just about no criteria.

 

I took the same list and more or less made adjustments to it, pulling some out, and inserting others. I did make my remarks ahead of the list so people would better understand the why & wherefore.

Micheal Nunn, Roy Jones, I put ahead of those palookas Packy Mcfarland & the like


Probably the biggest objection is Henry Armstrong, a nice little infighter if ever there was one and a real whirlwind but physically on the small side How would he do in today's world of Cuevas', Honeyghans', Leonards', Napoles'? Would he stand up to say, a Thomas Hearns? How long could he stand an assault from Honeyghan? Would Leonard prove to be too slick?

Besides, 30s fighters traditionally dont do as well on my lists

 

at first glance it makes no sense. but when u think aboit it, it makes perfect sense. I refuse to discriminate just becuz someone dont have an official title. Look at Sam Langford!

Well, like they used to say "Jimmy Young was the uncrowned heavyweight champion"

he really was. Think about it, he not only beat Ali, but Foreman & Norton too. man he beat all three! The little slapper from Phil, PA beat every worthwhile contender, ex champion there was in the best heavyweight division there was since the says of Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Corbett, Johnson, & Dempsey.

and that to me qualifies Jimmy as a top 75 fighter

better than Pernell?

Yes, better than Pernell

 

The real question- who is the KO Kid at 50?