The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Let's see your list then.

 

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I'm in the process of doing my own list actually. Obviously with my different criteria though.

I'm upto 55 atm, as in a definite top 55 names that I need to watch and order.

 

Great list & Work. Thanks for sharing

 

Here's my first attempt at a top 100. Totally different criteria to McGrain though. I have one ranking tool and one only: winnability; how highly do I rate a man's chances of winning against his field of competition. 100% subjective, I don't dispute that but this is my list and how I see these great boxers. I expect to do some shuffling over the next few weeks but this is the first list I have enjoyed compiling, enjoyed. I haven't had to trawl the Internet for clippings and records, I've just had to watch fights and make a judgement. Open to criticism if anyone cares enough to do so.

But these are, imo, the best 100 boxers t lace em up.

1 Ray Robinson
2 Pernell Whitaker
3 Roy Jones
4 Ray Leonard
5 Roberto Duran
6 Henry Armstrong
7 Willie Pep
8 Ezzard Charles
9 Muhammad Ali
10 Joe Louis
11 Sam Langford
12 Marvin Hagler
13 Thomas Hearns
14 Eder Jofre
15 Jose Napoles
16 Benny Leonard
17 Joe Gans
18 Wilfredo Gomez
19 Floyd Mayweather
20 Manny Pacquaio
21 Carlos Monzon
22 Bernard Hopkins
23 Julio Cesar Chavez
24 Jimmy Wilde
25 Gene Tunney
26 Miguel Canto
27 Alexis Arguello
28 Sandy Saddler
29 Ruben Olivares
30 Carlos Zarate
31 Charley Burley
32 Kid Gavilan
33 Evander Holyfield
34 Rocky Marciano
35 Archie Moore
36 Salvador Sanchez
37 Fighting Harada
38 Manuel Ortiz
39 Vicente Saldivar
40 Ricardo Lopez
41 **** Tiger
42 Mickey Walker
43 Emile Griffith
44 Luis Manuel Rodriguez
45 Michael Spinks
46 Billy Conn
47 Jimmy Bivins
48 Carlos Ortiz
49 Juan Manuel Marquez
50 Lennox Lewis
51 Mike Tyson
52 Marco Antonio Barrera
53 Erik Morales
54 Azumah Nelson
55 Jeff Fenech
56 James Toney
57 Oscar De La Hoya
58 Shane Mosley
59 Felix Trinidad
60 Tony Canzoneri
61 Jimmy McLarnin
62 Barney Ross
63 Sammy Mandell
64 Packey McFarland
65 Holman Williams
66 Mike McCallum
67 Bob Foster
68 Pascual Perez
69 Jung-Koo Chang
70 Wilfred Benitez
71 Aaron Pryor
72 Niccolino Locche
73 Duilio Loi
74 Fred Apostoli
75 Freddie Steele
76 Winky Wright
77 Kid Chocolate
78 Danny Lopez
79 Michael Carbajal
80 Humberto Gonzalez
81 John Conteh
82 Victor Galindez
83 Dwight Qawi
84 Tommy Loughran
85 Tommy Gibbons
86 Nino Benvenuti
87 Jake La Motta
88 Mike Gibbons
89 Lionel Rose
90 Johnny Tapia
91 Yuri Arbachakov
92 Orlando Canizalez
93 Miguel Lora
94 Terry McGovern
95 Sonny Liston
96 George Foreman
97 Larry Holmes
98 Carl Froch
99 Joe Calzaghe
100 Danny Lopez

 

Yeah it's easy getting lost in a list so big, totally agree.

Yeah it's a p4p h2h list, how I see the men doing against men their own size.

I'm always torn on Lopez, he could be really high as well, always torn. I'm gonna assume you mean Gonzalez? By the time he retires, if his career continues in this fashion, he'll be in my top 20 easy.

 

Marciano is Hugh as well, having him high makes me feel bad for leaving Dempsey out who I see as very similar. Tempted to drop Lopez, and place Dempsey next to Rocky.

 

For me p4p is more about your actual skill level.

It is quote clear to see Robinson is more skilled than Wladimir for instance, but we don't have to pretend their the same size to make that comparison.

So basically I think Hagler is a better fighter than Foster, that doesn't mean I think Hagler would beat Foster because Foster is the bigger man, it means as a prime fighting machine I think Hagler is more likely to beat someone weighing his size.

On the flip I think Pacquaio is a better fighter than Canto, but when the two were at FLW I wouldn't bet money on a teenage Pacman to lay a serious glove on Canto.

So yes p4p excludes size as a factor, but for me that means I can turn around and say "he's a better fighter, but the other man is just too big" it doesn't mean I imagine them the same size and think about who wins.

I don't even know if i'm saying something different to you at the root if it all. But when I am judging Rocky in my list, I'm imagining how he does against opposition weighing 190 or less. And when I judge Lopez I'm imagining how he would do against opposition weighing 105 or less. I'm not judging them against each other in some crazy fantasy fight, I'm judging who is a better fighting machine.

Does that mean I am rating Lopez too low, I'm not sure, is Lopez the best mexican fighting machine of all time? My gut says no, but if I put Lopez in the top 12 I'd then be disagreeing with myself.

Not sure if that makes sense to you but I've done my best to indulge you

 

I think after all that I was agreeing wth your point about excluding size :good

 

The more time goes on, the more irrelevant, whimsical and utterly without meaning a 'P4P all-time ranking' becomes for me.

I like the infinite pub talk about overall skill and status for sure but to actually morph someone into someone else then judge them seems to make precious little sense.

Maybe T.Fury convinced me P4P is a load of ol' tosh.....

 

It's entirely without meaning. But where's the harm in discussing who you think the better fighter is?

 

I like the infinite pub talk about overall skill and status for sure

Just to reiterate.....

There's no harm in it, there's no harm in questioning the notion either...